Mail on Sunday - Nadine Dorries: The PM publicly humiliated me in front of the entire nation, what did I do to deserve that?
I expect she thinks she'll enjoy more leverage by being offended all of a sudden. It is also worth noting how she and a political editor from the Mail totally misrepresent Cameron's alleged text(s) to her (Cameron was clearly speaking about Dorries being 'desperately keen to pass her amendment', but in Dorries' fantasy world, she reads that as Cameron being desperate to back it himself).
Her 'poor me' item in the Mail on Sunday has so far received 700 comments. A copy of every one of those comments appears below, in order of popularity rating. By the time you reach the bottom, you'll see talk of Revelations and the judgement that will be passed on her opponents in the abortion debate. It's quite a snapshot of the 'debate' she's taking credit for and, obviously, a rare glimpse of what we might expect if this 'blogger' accepted comments on her site (something she has not done since trying to convince us that a 21-week-old foetus could punch its way out of the womb).
Nadine - grow up!.....if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. You're in politics for God's sake. And there are a lot of us women who'd quite like your job with it's above average salary and (ahem) expenses. You also seem to feel the need to bleat on about coming from a council house.....well love, I come from a working class background too (Glasgow), but don't harp on about it everytime my boss takes me to task or I don't get my own way at work. Regarding the growing population in the UK, abortion upper limit should be left as it is and the 'wimmin' involved councelled to have abortions. Then maybe us tax payers won't have to fund all these 'wimmin' and their fatherless babies. Hard to believe, but I'm a Mum, but didn't procreate till I had the means to support children.....and shock, horror.....I'm also married!!
- dee, surrey, 11/9/2011 1:32Rating 1128
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Oh boohoo, poor Nadine was humiliated. Nadine who christened Evan Harris 'Dr Death' and in this article accuses the Labour Party of being 'pro-abortion' — what exactly does that mean, compulsory termination? I am fed up of hearing this woman complain about everybody else's behaviour when her own is so far from exemplary.
- John Jameson, Maidenhead, Berkshire, 11/9/2011 1:26Rating 971
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Sorry but I think you are just going to have to stop snivelling and grow up. Politics is a nasty business and you have clearly had the full arsenal fired at you. Get on with it or get out of politics.
- karen, Gloucestershire, 11/9/2011 1:25Rating 821
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It wasn't the PM who humiliated you. It was the MP's who, with their school by humour, laughed and laughed and laughed ... Just take it for what it is: an innocent remark turned into a saucy joke. Now stop seeking publicity and get back to doing what we pay you to do ... Your JOB
- Clairy fairy, Kent, 11/9/2011 0:43Rating 747
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Ms Dorries, the House of Commons has, over the last decade at least, degenerated into a public school common room and perhaps that is because the bulk of the people who sit in that place are public school louts who have never grown up, most are professional politicians, put there by placemen and stooges in local political parties, few have had a real job and have any knowledge of business, industry and commerce, their prime objective appears to be to score points over the opposition or indeed against anyone who does not accept and fully support the party line, most are certainly not gentlemen and that is why Cameron acted the way he did and sniggered in the House of Commons. A regrettable indication of the depth to which British politics have sunk.
- Kenneth, East Anglia, England, 11/9/2011 11:39Rating 503
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If you can't stand the heat, love.................
- Bruce, England, 11/9/2011 1:27Rating 415
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The PM publicly humiliated me in front of the entire nation, what did I do to deserve that? You hitched your wagon to an unprincipled man. Not to worry your not alone, a lot of folk were taken in.
- gt, halton, 11/9/2011 2:13Rating 225
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Thatcher was a dictatorial political tyrant ... And stop using such silly language as "red arrows" and employ some articulate and comprehensible English ! Are you related to Harriet Harperson ? - James Danvers, London, 11/9/2011 11:28>>>>>>>>Thatcher did not rule the world, she was just a tory in this country, that's all. You sound about as grown up as most of the idiots in the house of commons!
- Lottie, Bristol, 11/9/2011 11:40Rating 144
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PMQ times are a joke anyway with all the jeering, sycophantic 'hear hears' and MPs sitting there like nodding dogs, and it's all presided over by a little self important bully who has to bellow to try and make himself sound credible. Adult schoolboys on their worst behaviour, I shudder to think what other countries make of it!
- Sue, London, 11/9/2011 12:23Rating 137
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It was shameful how the other members of parliament allowed this to turn into such a hideous situation, the speaker should have demanded order & given David Cameron the order to continue. I do not agree with M/S Dorries about abortion changes but she was acting on behalf of many other people and they deserved the right, as any other individual, for their MP to represent them & challenge the law. This is supposed to be a democracy but this was sheer bully boy tactics and undermined M/S Dorries. I don't blame the PM entirely but the other MP's in the house showed their total lack of respect to a fellow MP, to the public she was representing & to women & the rights of unborn children.
- Kritickel, Plymouth, 11/9/2011 12:28Rating 123
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what an arrogant pompous little had it all on a plate brat he is
- geoff, abergavenny, 11/9/2011 11:38Rating 116
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The photograph says it all. Neither Cameron nor Clegg is fit for high office.
- john, Oxford, 11/9/2011 7:32Rating 116
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I was with her until... "I am from a Liverpool council house, he went to Eton – there isn’t much synergy between our lives and, therefore, I regard it almost as a duty to regale him with some down-to-earth common sense every now and then." That is the most mealy mouthed, patronizing, snobby (inverted snob), rude, chip on the shoulder piece of whining. She's not some poor little girl with nothing. She's an MP on MP's salary and perks (not to mention expenses). Don't cheapen an important argument with this "poor me, I only just escaped the workhouse," claptrap.
- isabella, london, 11/9/2011 10:23Rating 108
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Cameron should have the strenght of his convictions and tell Clegg where to get off. If Clegg seriously thinks he would do his party any good by forcing a general election, let him try. He won't try of course. Go on David, call his bluff. No-one voted for the current state of affairs.
- Liz Ward, Huddersfield, 11/9/2011 7:30Rating 107
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i wonder if all those who feel Nadine was wronged actually saw the PMQs. I did and Cameron was not trying to embarrass the lady. However the rest of the gang, Left , Right and Centre , immediately picked up on the word "frustrated". Further exchanges impossible due to raucous laughter let Cameron give up and sit down .The lady is making a mountain out of a molehill and needs to "calm down" If unable to stand the heat, she should get back in the kitchen.
- R Thomson, Kirkcudbright, Scotland, 11/9/2011 17:52Rating 98
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Nadine , you assume that the PM's actions could make the nation think less of you than we already do? your amendment died a death because the vast majority of your peers and the entire nation think you are wrong. nobody hijacked you, or tricked you we just all disagree with you, so stop being a victim and whinging , your an MP go earn your salary serving your constituents and stop wasting the nations time
- simon, Belfast, 11/9/2011 3:05Rating 95
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You are a politician. That is how it runs. And NOT proclaiming the Vatican origins of this bill is why it was shot down in flames. Do not use YOUR religion in making government policy as we do not all share your religion.
- Dr Robin Guthrie, York, 10/9/2011 23:05Rating 92
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The rough and tumble of the House of Commons is like a school playground - guffawing and jeering are not heard in most other political assemblies, and have no place in serious debate about matters of national importance. Politicians are not respected because they do not show respect, nor do they behave respectably.
- Ron Short, Swindon, 11/9/2011 11:01Rating 91
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'The Speaker calmed the House and asked me to finish my question. I asked the Prime Minister if he didn’t think it was about time that he told the Deputy Prime Minister who was the boss.'...........................Your question was far more offensive than the answer. What's more, I watched you on Newsnight shortly afterwards telling Jeremy Paxman that the Prime Minister had apologised to you after the incident and everything was all right, so what's this sympathy-seeking article in aid of all of a sudden? If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
- Miss, Midlands, UK, 10/9/2011 22:49Rating 91
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I am not a Cameron fan, but to try and call him sexist is a bit low and desperate. Why should he be softer to female MPs? If we crave equality , we should be able to take ruthlessness in politics the same way the male MPs do. If you can't take the heat, you know what to do. Shameless Nadine sort out your expenses first! What about your poor ex husband?
- Gisele, Chelmsford, Essex, 11/9/2011 11:01Rating 90
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Craig, Glasgow - so does that also apply for women who have conceived through rape? Or where carrying the baby to term has serious risks to both the mother and baby? Or where the baby will be born with a disability which will leave it with poor quality of life and the parents unable to pay for the care it needs? Abortion is NOT a black and white matter. And if Ms Dorries is humiliated by the Prime Minister failing to answer her question because the Speaker could not maintain order then politics is clearly not the right career for her, especially as she seems to fail to understand that a matter such as when women are able to receive a particular medical service should be a matter for the medical profession, not politicians wanting to further their own agendas.
- Ruthie, Birmingham, 11/9/2011 17:52Rating 89
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David Cameron, as leader of the country, should have done one thing and one thing only. As the laughter rolled through Parliament, instead of sitting down, he should have been a man. What is a man? A man, let alone a leader of the U.K., would have announced to one and all: "Stop the laughter. Stop it right now. I demand silence!" He would then have answered the MP's question. MP Dorries, however, is a naive woman, accepting an apology which is totally meaningless. Democracy in Britain does not exist, or else there would be an EU referendum, by the way.
- Helen, Toronto, Canada, 11/9/2011 11:06Rating 88
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Nadine Dorries is so self obsessed, she has become a joke. Grow up woman, you were intent on taking women's rights away, and parliament refused to do so. It's not all about YOU!!
- Lou, Croydon, Surrey , 10/9/2011 23:04Rating 87
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Let's face it. Nadine Dorries tried to pull the wool over the public and MP's eyes by trying to make it sound very reasonable. Who could argue with women being offered advice after all?. The problem was of course, she was eventually rumbled when it became clear that the only people actually qualified to give that advice wouldn't be allowed to. The true intention of her amendment was to put pressure on women not to have abortions. Hardly independent advice and something the public and MP's would never support. Once that became clear, the move was doomed.
- Derek, Cambridge, UK, 11/9/2011 3:24Rating 87
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I do hope that Nadine Dorries doesn't give in to the sexist schoolboy bullies who obviously only will tolerate 'token females' daring to enter a 'man's world' as long as they 'know their place'. This is an important issue that women need information and legislation on. Having witnessed abortion first hand, believe me, 24 weeks is too late.
- Mary England, Gloucester, 11/9/2011 7:31Rating 87
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How dare you Nadine Dorries pretend that you're trying to "provide women with greater choice". You are ideologically against women having a choice over what happens inside their bodies. You must surely be aware that whilst technically medical advances have allowed fetuses as young as 24 weeks to stay alive, that definition of 'alive' is rather subjective. Alive with long-term invasive ventilation, never living outside of hospital, regularly being admitted to PICU, having cerebral palsy or even worse mental retardation not to mention that many other organs in the body will not be working - is that a life?! If your justification for being against abortion is your belief in a god, then just have the guts to say so. To pretend you're doing this to give women greater choice is downright insulting to everyone!
- Dan, Oxford, UK, 11/9/2011 3:01Rating 86
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I watched this debacle on t.v. and was genuinely shocked by the proceedings. Nadine Dorries is right to ask that women seeking abortion should have the opportunity of counselling that is NOT provided by those that carry out abortions. As she asks, what is wrong with that? I was so disappointed by David Camerons performance ... no more than I have come to expect of him. A committed Tory voter for many years - the party under this man is not a Tory party. He has quite willingly, it seems, allowed the Lib Dems to take control of every issue that is important to this country, even though they are such a tiny minority in Parliament. Thank heavens that they have never stood a chance of ever forming a government! David Cameron may have apologised, rightly, to Miss Dorries, but he now needs to do so PUBLICLY!
- cassandra , Nottingham, 11/9/2011 7:36Rating 83
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It wasn't just the MPs and PM laughing at you love, All the disabled who you have berated and mocked in your blog were joining in too. What goes around comes around,
- Sarah, London, 11/9/2011 10:23Rating 79
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just about sums up the whole of our current crop of idiots running the country , its the same across all the parties ,parliament has become little better than a public school debating society , but then theyre all just playing at government till they can trot across to the EU and earn the big bucks and glory
- kayerunrig, lincoln, 11/9/2011 12:20Rating 77
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Nadine Dorries comes over as immature and hysterical. And her abortion bill cannot be taken seriously. Women who choose abortion because they know they are not in a position to provide a child with the wherewithal to thrive in this world are making a responsible, clear sighted and courageous decision. People like Dorries never seem to join the dots. She would do far better to use her passion and energy to help the countess damaged unsupported children who are in existence already in this vastly overpopulated world.
- oh, dear, 11/9/2011 10:14Rating 76
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And what about you Nadine Dorries - questioning the motivation and belittling the morality of all the members of the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists’ ethics committee? You want to set up yet another "independent" abotion advisory panel but there already is one - and it does a good job! Its advice is caring and careful. You just don't like abortion for reasons nothing to do with the mother or the foetus. You know that viable healthy foetuses are not terminated at 24 weeks - only those that are either damaged or threaten the life of the mother. You ally yourself with pro life extremists in the USA and expect us to belive that your advice to pregnant mothers willl somehow be more independent that what is currently provided? You are just a liar and a hypocrite trying to force your religious conviction onto others. The only hidden agenda around here is your own.
- Anna, Portsmouth, 11/9/2011 9:45Rating 75
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Yeah, that is humiliating. Almost as humiliating as running to the papers crying about it.
- Iain, Glasgow, 11/9/2011 10:25Rating 73
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The fact that Dorries doesn't understand that women going in for abortions have ALREADY been subjected to a tirade of counselling in what will be one of the most traumatic situations they have had to face, shows how far removed she is in understanding the plight of the many who have to make this decision. It isn't that she doesn't understand, it's that she clearly doesn't want to understand, though perhaps she is incapable of such insight and understanding, and this is the humiliation she needs to own up to.
- sam, yorks, 11/9/2011 8:41Rating 72
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Silly woman. If she can't handle this sort of thing she is in the wrong job. And bleating to the press won't help your credability.
- Duncan, Notts, 11/9/2011 11:39Rating 64
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When Nadine complains about the Prime Minister humiliating her, does she remember that her question was primarily aimed at attempting to humiliate the Prime Minister during those PMQs? When she was reminding him about the LDs making up just 8.7% of the House did she remember that they had a full 23% of the vote? I thought it ill-advised to accuse Dr Evan Harris (who she usually refers to as Dr Death) of blackmail during her speech using parliamentary privilege, but to do so outside of parliament in a newspaper article seems plain vindictive and reckless. Nadine seems intent on trying to follow the Michele Bachmann / Sarah Palin route to infamy; unfortunately in this country that route basically leads to eating witchetty grubs in the jungle for Ant & Dec.
- Bob, York, 10/9/2011 23:09Rating 63
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There is no evidence that the trained counsellors at Marie Stopes and BPAS have ever persuaded women to have an abortion. And the 'independent' counsellors who would replace them would include members of of the anti-abortion movement.
- carol sheridan, habere poche, france, 11/9/2011 16:04Rating 62
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Not a nice experience for Nadine Dorries, but she must get a slightly thicker skin if she wants to' play 'with so called 'big boys' in the creche that is known as the Houses of Parliament. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- minnie, midlands, 11/9/2011 12:22Rating 58
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@Caroline , Newry Co Down, 11/9/2011 14:30 Well said! This was appalling behaviour by Camoron and his schoolboy mates. This subject is far too serious to be treated with such pathetic, malevolent behaviour.
- KeithS, Cheltenham UK, 11/9/2011 15:23Rating 56
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On the contrary, a slip of the tongue by the Prime Minister has raised Nadine's profile and gained her further respect and admiration.
- David James, Everdon, United Kingdom, 11/9/2011 11:39Rating 55
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Parliament is just a talking shop, nothing more than a pantomime each MP a consummate actor, remember the world is just a stage.
- Tim J, London UK, 11/9/2011 12:20Rating 55
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As the old saying goes: If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen! Politics is a dirty business - it's not like kids scrapping in the playground - you need to be hard-nosed and single-minded; you also have to be able to take the rough with the smooth. If you can't do that, then you're in the wrong job. Get on with it or get out.
- Denise, Cambridge, 11/9/2011 8:42Rating 54
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So Nadine is upset that Tory GPs who know how things work & pay attention to the scientific facts got up to point out her untruths. Does this not sum up the real problem with the Dorries approach (irrespective of the issue). The woman is a pathological liar.
- Bodmass, Milton Keynes, 10/9/2011 23:07Rating 54
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Behaviour in the House of Commons is disgusting, and has little to do with serious law-making.
- Isabella Jackman, Munich, Germany, 11/9/2011 13:13Rating 50
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Quit playing the sexism card & get over it lady. You definitely need to develop a thicker skin and stop making everything about you. Bleating to a national newspaper & playing the victim is just cringe worthy & not worthy of an MP.
- Sasha , UK, 11/9/2011 13:24Rating 50
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It's about time Cameron learnt that Parliament isn't an extension of a rugger club. What an embarrassment to hear the house guffaw like overgrown school boys at Cameron's pathetic double-entendre. - Richard, Norwich, UK, 11/9/2011 14:33 How dare you insult rugby players in such a manner. Cameron hasn't the guts to play rugby. Most of his type never wen't near the rugby club. They are only big in their own minds and the mouth department.
- erik, prkney, 11/9/2011 15:15Rating 49
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Welcome to politics my dear, you have to be tough, tough, tough and ruthless and very single-minded, emotions have no place in the game of politics... and whining like you do here will not get you anywhere. However, perhaps you should check you premises, we are living on a planet which cannot sustain many more humans, so maybe someone should put a bill together for population control rather than to promote more and more breeding... we are too many, that is the core of all our problems... economically, socially and ethically...
- Rachel, London, 11/9/2011 11:05Rating 49
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I am disgusted that, no matter what side of the fence you belong to, this is a very serious issue and should be accorded a serious debate. I cannot believe that the house of commons, all parties, behaved in such a despicable way. To laugh and drown out a serious discussion and not to wish to engage in discussion makes me wonder what these so called politicians are doing. Not one of them deserve the money they claim. We do not vote for these people to make this a political issue abortion is a topic which should not come into party politics. Shame on you all.
- Caroline , Newry Co Down, 11/9/2011 14:30Rating 48
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I saw the incident on TV. I don't think David Cameron was being deliberately malicious, but should open up PMQ's next week with a full, unqualified public apology to Nadine Dorries, who is a fine MP regardless of party. If not, then the speaker should insist on it. If this is how Cameron and Parliament treats elected representatives, then this is how he and parliament treat those who elected them too - i.e. all of us.
- Michael, Coventry, 11/9/2011 15:56Rating 47
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Please would someone explain to me how the offer of independent pre abortion counselling from non abortion providors could in any way be harmful to women. - Justin, Caerphilly, 11/9/2011 16:53 -----I'll give it a go for you. They're not "independant", they are mouthpieces for American hardline anti-abortion organizations who are only interested in browbeating women into carrying their pregnancies to term regardless. And incidentally, nobody is preventing women from receiving councelling from anyone they choose - Mrs Dorries' bill was specifically worded to take away one of those choices.
- Norman Bates, Airstrip One, 11/9/2011 15:50Rating 47
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What a yawn! I don't think anyone gives two hoots about this. - DisenchantedBrit, Living in bliss away from hellhole island, 11/9/2011 14:54 ----You're right, but while they were all laughing it up (almost as if it was a deliberate distraction), they also quietly dismantled the NHS.
- Norman Bates, Airstrip One, 11/9/2011 13:23Rating 46
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If ever there was a sexist it is this woman. She is always playing the same dard in every subject she involves herself in. Get a life in the REAL world woman.
- arturo, Loughborough, 11/9/2011 14:35Rating 46
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I think she deserved to be shouted down. She lost any respect from me at 'Pro abortion.' I've never heard of anyone being actively enthusiastic about pregnant women having abortions. And is she unaware of the reason for the 24 week limit being in place? It's not so feckless teenagers can put off thinking about their pregnancy for months, it's because tests done in late pregnancy can show up birth defects, and the parents have the option to end the pregnancy if they feel they couldn't cope. How can she be so ill-informed?
- Pippa, Oxford, 11/9/2011 1:51Rating 44
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Obviously the lady concerned is passionate about her cause but it seems to me she had lost even before she stepped into the Chamber.Abortion is very much a choice for those concerned and Regulatory controls should be minimal, informed and have enough flexibility to deal with all circumstances.The issue here is more likely the remark that seemed to kick off the unusual and rare laughing fit on the assembled throng most welcome in a Parliament that seems to pursue its business with expressions usually reserved for the undertakers trade.The lady concerned just a bit too sensitive when the best response would have been an equally off the cuff quip.Some you win some you lose.
- Expat, Udon Thani, 11/9/2011 1:26Rating 43
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"This female politician, from a very humble background, spent years working on something to promote vulnerable women' choices" She's trying to make it harder for women who want abortions to get them. She's only "promoting choice" the way our government does - by telling people what choices they should make and then taking the alternatives away from them.
- Steve Cheney, Nottingham, UK, 11/9/2011 15:52Rating 42
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Please would someone explain to me how the offer of independent pre abortion counselling from non abortion providors could in any way be harmful to women. I do not understand why this woman has faced such a torrent of abuse for wanting women to receive impartial and indeoendent advice before making such an important life changing decision. What am I missing here?
- Justin, Caerphilly, 11/9/2011 14:53Rating 42
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As a tip Ms. Dorries I would suggest that when you talk about things you give proof for your claims, and back your 'evidence' up with citations so that people can verify what you say. Your willingness to say what seem like amazing things but then make it impossible for people to check this out for themselves makes it difficult for people who might support you trust you.
- Loz Pycock, London, UK, 11/9/2011 8:35Rating 42
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I dont know about YOUR embarrasment Nadine but you certainly embarrass the British public by your expenses fiasco and your promising to stand by your husband in sickness and in health at your wedding. Get off the bandwaggon and get your life cleaned up!
- Philip Harrison, ex pat Brittany France, 11/9/2011 17:14Rating 41
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"I still cannot understand why anyone would object to a woman receiving the offer of pre-abortion counselling? Just an offer, not compulsory." Nobody objects to women receiving pre-abortion counselling. People object to abortion clinics losing the funding to give fact-based counselling, and the opportunity for faith-based pro-life groups to counsel vulnerable women. Have you not read your own suggestions? Is it not painfully obvious why so many people object to external counselling from quite likely faith-based groups?
- Alice, Leicester, UK, 11/9/2011 2:11Rating 37
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Does this woman have a clue how Westminster works? Has she not seen an episode of Yes Minister!! If you go into politics in the UK you have to know that this is how they behave in Prime Minister's Questions. Don't you? It is childish and foolish, and every other thing is taken as a double entendre. I don't think Cameron meant it like that. But if she was up to snuff she'd have been doing her own lobbying and would have been ready with retorts to school boy giggles when she was calling for an amendment that has some connection to sex. Running away just confirms that you dont have what it takes. If you cant take the heat...get out of the kitchen.
- JR , London, 11/9/2011 14:56Rating 36
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Then maybe us tax payers won't have to fund all these 'wimmin' and their fatherless babies. Hard to believe, but I'm a Mum, but didn't procreate till I had the means to support children.....and shock, horror.....I'm also married!! - dee, surrey, 11/9/2011 1:32 Maybe you should realise that not all single mothers are single by choice - by THEIR choice, I mean. I have friends who became single mothers after their respective husbands/partners walked out on them. In this country, it`s far too easy for men to walk out from their responsibilities, including financial ones.
- eva, at home, 11/9/2011 10:59Rating 36
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was compulsory for any woman seeking an abortion to have a counselling session - it's only after this that she can get the required second signature. So what's the point in "offering" yet more? Most people who get that far have made up their minds. It IS a concern that we have such a high termination rate, but we need to work much, much harder on preventing unwanted pregnancies rather than making it more difficult for people to end them. As a nation it's time to drop the holier-than-thou finger-wagging and accept that teenagers want to have sex - telling them not to will never work, while providing them with easy access (in a non-judgemental way) to contraception will.
- DM, West Sussex, 11/9/2011 5:46Rating 34
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So a woman MP who is trying to help women in her country gets insulted and ignored by the Prime Minister - this is a reflection on the way that all women in this country are viewed by the government and I for one find it very offensive.
- For Pete's sake, Wales, 11/9/2011 15:24Rating 34
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Nadine, you are a hypocrite and a whiner. I'm glad you got a put-down, as if your selfish and narrow-minded bill had been passed then you would, in effect, have been seeking to make women with the already difficult task of deciding on an abortion, go through even more hoops. In simple terms, you wanted to try and persuade more women to keep babies they might not want, might not be prepared for, might hate and resent. Leave them alone. Their decision is painful enough as it is. It's none of your business. If they want counselling they will seek it. The current providers are unbiased, despite what you would have us believe. Butt out and stop being such a sanctimonious zealot.
- Mrs Miggins, Pie Shoppe, England, 11/9/2011 5:41Rating 33
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"Edwards Syndrome alone would be worth keeping the 24 weeks mark in place". - Pixie9, Aberystwyth, 11/9/2011 11:26 ..... There have always been exceptions to the abortion rule and this would remain in places for conditions such as Edwards, that doesn't stop the limit being lowered to the more reasonable limit of 20 weeks. Healthy babies are surviving at 21 weeks now so something should change as the current limit is morally obscene, and to leave 24 weeks in place for the sake of avoiding one condition is a ridiculous comment. Women taking control of their contraception would be a good start.
- Susan, Scotland, 11/9/2011 13:54Rating 33
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David Cameron is nothing but a bully, he is scared to death of Brussles, so he takes it out on MPs in his own party, a typical bully, and as we all know most bullies are cowards at heart!
- S. I. Mather, Bradwell, UK., 11/9/2011 14:03Rating 33
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He said: ‘I know the honourable Lady is extremely frustrated . . .’ and couldn't continue. She admits herself she was angry and frustrated. So what's her problem? I thought she'd be happy - she loves any opportunity to go running to the press for a bit of self-publicity.
- Iz, UK, 11/9/2011 10:40Rating 32
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Prime Minister?......... that this well spoken yob even occupies the position is a disgrace to the memory of a number of his predecessors.
- semperbritannica, Wisbech,UK, 11/9/2011 11:06Rating 31
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The death of children means less to this prime minister than keeping his job. If this means making a fool of one of his colleagues then he will do so, if it means sucking up to a Lib-Dem who has dumped his policies for a position then Cameron will do so. Integrity does not come near this man Cameron.
- Independent, UK, 11/9/2011 7:31Rating 31
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He did not deliberatley humiliate her, the other MPs decided to take a sexual connotation out of a perfectly innocent remark. Dorries then humiliated HERSELF by storming out like a stroppy teenager.
- Jim, Belfast, 11/9/2011 10:39Rating 30
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Nadine, you just received a discursive dose of the sexism you have worked hard to establish structurally in British life through policy. It's not pleasant to be on the receiving end of it, is it? Maybe it's time to rethink your politics, and stop attempting to pass legislation that is harmful to women and girls. - EJD, London, 11/9/2011 13:59 --- Fair point, well made!
- Richard, Norwich, UK, 11/9/2011 14:35Rating 29
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Stop trying to force your views through Parliament and into law. Thought all you Politicians had thicker skins than that. Now you know what it is like to be ignored and walked all over so perhaps you will listen to your voters more instaed of ignoring our wishes.
- Barry, Chelmsford UK, 10/9/2011 23:51Rating 29
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I think you humiliated yourself! Tough, move on.
- Still Grumpy, Derby, UK, 11/9/2011 6:44Rating 29
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even lord flashman and the rest of the hooray henrys in the government could not vote for this crazy woman's motion. At least it put her nose out of joint along with the sinister right-wing evangelical nutters who support her
- john lowe, london, 11/9/2011 0:14Rating 29
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You were a laughing stock before David Cameron confirmed it.
- Rich, East London, 11/9/2011 0:19Rating 29
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Revenge is a dish best served cold, all Nadine has to do is vote against the government of some of its legislation that is close. Legally speaking an MP only has to vote for policies which were in the manifesto upon which they were elected so anything else is up for grabs.
- Stephen, St. Ives, England, 11/9/2011 15:19Rating 29
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Nadine, please do not overstate the situation. The entire nation were not watching; PMQs is not in the ratings with the likes of X Factor and Coronation Street. If you feel so humiliated, don't draw attention to it by writing an article on the very subject. I have seen footage of PMQs, and it was not Cameron who was humilating you, the WHOLE chamber were laughing at a slip up he had made. Perhaps he did not feel the need to answer you, as he finds you an embarassment. This is not because you are an anti-abortionist masquerading as a caring, concerned indidvidual. It is because you admit that 70% of you blog is made up. It is because you make claims about sex-education without the source of your evidence. Again, your abortion stats seemed plucked from thin air. You think a fetus is capable of punching a hole in a womb, despite the surgeon stating it's nonsense! Anecdotes without proof abound. You humiliate yourself, Cameron need not bother. Go to the US where you'll get some attention.
- Anon, Essex, 11/9/2011 2:42Rating 28
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I wouldn't have forgiven him. That is the second time he has humiliated a woman in parliament. I think he has problems with women MPs and if I were them I would give as good as I got right back at him.
- Margaret, Alva, Scotland, 11/9/2011 3:27Rating 28
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A characteristic of Cameron's time at PMQs has been one of childish, boorish and plain obnoxious disrespect for not only the opposition but even those of his own party. An all (public school) lads together mentality pervades the Tory front bench. Hardly surprising considering the Bullingdon Club connections. It's about time Cameron learnt that Parliament isn't an extension of a rugger club. What an embarrassment to hear the house guffaw like overgrown school boys at Cameron's pathetic double-entendre.
- Richard, Norwich, UK, 11/9/2011 14:33Rating 28
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You know the old saying " if you can`t stand the heat get out of the kitchen"!!
- BrianL, NWUK, 11/9/2011 8:40Rating 28
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The difference between you isn't that you're from a council estate and he's from Eton - it's that you're sincere and he's been covering himself up with his diplomas and his fancy relatives and you're authentic and that's all you are. It sounded like 'boys in the schoolyard, jocks in the locker room, the boys' club talk'. When men get together they're like teenagers - George Young and Nick Clegg look ridiculous and you, madame, look dignified. Hear, hear!
- Susan, Paris, 11/9/2011 14:53Rating 28
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She humiliated herself.
- PattyDuke, London, 11/9/2011 0:01Rating 28
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I actually think abortion is too easy in the UK, but this amendment, Dorries' politicking with it and now her self-pity are a revolting package.
- Ann Kittenplan, Enfield, USA, 10/9/2011 23:07Rating 28
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i'm sorry too say "but you have to comfront every aspect of name calling to go on to be a politician. you are the voice of the unheard and you have to fight for the best way forward." get on with the work in progress.
- me thinking, european, 11/9/2011 13:26Rating 27
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If she was humiliated by his response she need to grow a backbone
- WJS, UK., 11/9/2011 17:05Rating 27
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Oh dear..here we go again...life is so unfair...
- Paul Cooper, Manchester, 11/9/2011 14:56Rating 27
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She wasnt so frustrated about her expense and house flipping claims was she ?, no, as usual it was the taxpayers who were. Vote her out ASAP, together with the rest of the remaining crooks, it's all trivia until we have people we can trust in either House.
- alan, warks. UK, 11/9/2011 14:58Rating 27
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This woman is a disgrace and not the right person to speak about a cause as serious as this. Get someone more grounded to push for this bill. Women like you Nadine make the world think women are not suitable for certain jobs. You thought it was alright to ask Cameron a RUDE question about who's boss, that to you is ok? but not ok when you are dished out what all MPs male or female get at question time? People like you using the word sexism anyhow makes real sexism missed or not taken seriously. You should be able to take as much as you dish out. when you try to land punches, be prepared to take them too.
- Gisele, Chelmsford, Essex, 11/9/2011 10:53Rating 27
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Nadine, Cameron did not humiliate you but Clegg ,Harris and the rest disgraced themselves and showed themselves for what they are and certainly never, ever Right Honourables. Don't share your politics but more power to you in this respect. Shoulders back and carry on.!
- Annie , Hampshire, 11/9/2011 8:40Rating 27
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Craig from Glasgow you are spot on in all your comments, it worries me how many people are so pro abortion in any circumstance and refuse to consider that it might be wrong to end a life. All of this "your body, your choice" stuff - there's another living being in there and it's not just your body once you've made the choice to have sex and as a result get pregnant. It's the child's body too. I am not religious, i'm a fairly liberal 25 year old woman - I just can't stand this culture of "I have the right to do what I want and everyone else can suffer the consequences" - even if the person who has to pay is a baby, that persons own flesh and blood. Its worrying how its become the norm to think its ok to abort babies, and "uncool" to think otherwise.
- Linda, Belfast, 11/9/2011 17:33Rating 27
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Get over it . If you can't hold your own in politics, get OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- GT, E. Yorkshire, 11/9/2011 13:17Rating 26
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As a Bedfordshire expat I am no fan of Dorries, but agree with her in puzzling over the objection to a mere offer of counselling, and in the light of current science having a serious debate about reducing the time limit on abortion. I find the response to her in parliament sinister.
- Dee, Singapore, 11/9/2011 2:50Rating 25
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It is a woman's choice what to do with her body when pregnancy occurs. That being said I don't disagree with an offer of counselling given in a simple and non-demanding scripted way. The counselling of course will need to be very carefully handled and explanations on how to get financial assistance for everything from medical care to how to tap into the funds for council flats and social assistance. Part of the issue with pregnancy termination is those who support not allowing the termination is they will dodge their support once the child is born. This world needs zero population growth right away. Prevent the pregnancy in the first place.
- lawson, london, 11/9/2011 17:15Rating 25
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Thank God for the Nadine Dorries of this world. She has the courage of her convictions and articulates what many moderate people think. I only hope she is not discouraged by the rabble rousers and gives up the good fight! She emerges from this cauldron of hate with her dignity intact and has, in my opinion, enhanced her standing in the public eye.
- cruachan, Haddington, Scotland, 11/9/2011 8:48Rating 25
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For goodness sake! If you get so upset at few ill chosen words you are definitely in the wrong job! As for your "I am from a Liverpool council house, he went to Eton"! So what! Millions of us were brought up in council houses and have gone on to be successful at what we do, the difference being we do not whine and gripe when our plans go astray. We simply start again! You really need to grow a thicker skin if you continue in your work. You do not like how the democratic system works? Well use the system to change it or shut up!
- Pete H, Cyprus, 11/9/2011 4:45Rating 24
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Cameron has no abiity as a politician or as a leader and like many of his ilk he results to bullying but only when surrounded by his simpering cronies. The sooner we are rid of this fool the better.
- Agent Smith, S.Yorks, 11/9/2011 9:45Rating 24
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Grow up and stop trying to make political gain from this.
- Steven, Belfast, 11/9/2011 10:56Rating 24
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Dropping the limit from 24 to 20 weeks is asking for trouble. There are thousands of women who do not know at 20 weeks they are pregnant, either due to current or longstanding gynaecological issues, or that their body has not shown any signs or symptons and continued with the normal menstrual cycle (it happens more often than we are led to believe due to the cervix shedding and not the uterus). Yes, pre-abortion counselling would be a good thing, and I believe that in Scotland, every woman who wishes to go through with a termination is offered pre and post counselling. We should never bring in the prospect of religion or politics to this, else we risk bringing in the mentality of a Handmaiden's Tale era.
- KM, RHU, 11/9/2011 17:19Rating 23
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Unfortunately, while Parliament is dominated by big boys who are just larger versions of schoolboys who come from predominantly Boys' school mentality, it's not likely to improve. Strikes me they all need to have a proper job before deciding who's going to play at being chancellor/education minister etc. next. I have a feeling if women ruled the world, there'd be none of this nonsense, nor would there be terrible wars. Problem is, women are all too busy being responsible human beings to have the time to play games...*sits and waits for the red arrows from men throwing their toys out the pram*
- Lottie, Bristol, 11/9/2011 10:27Rating 23
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Like all bullies the man is a COWARD. He strong enough with his henchmen around and arrogant enough to believe he is witty and funny especially at others expense. But then can not exspect anything different from his background, where he was brough up to believe his superority and that he is better than anyone, especially women. Says a lot really does it, just what sort of bubble he lives in which is far from reality as us poor people have to endure in our everyday lives. Heaven help us from the likes of him, he thinks he is untouchable, well news flash, NO ONE IS INDISPENSIBLE and the powers that be got rid of THATCHER the same can happen with him, except that those around him are old schoold friends. But he needs to watch his back there are already rumblings and long may they rumble, well up until this man and his bunch of millionairs are well and truely GONE.
- Carrotcruncher, Powys Wales, 11/9/2011 14:36Rating 23
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She's a MP and a poltician! They have hides like a rhinoceros and are themselves as brass necked as they come. If she can't take the flak, then she should get out of the job. At the very least she should shut up and stop making a complete fool of herself. Stupid woman!
- Terence, Hereford, UK, 11/9/2011 10:54Rating 23
It seems more a story of a woman wanting to play the game but than finding out she actually doesn't know the rules. The practice of lobbying, forming coalitions behind the scenes and whip rules has been going on for many years. No doubt has it worked in her favour over the years. 'If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen' I would say.
- Laura, London, 11/9/2011 13:16Rating 22
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My dear woman you really do need a reality check. Firstly, we all know that since you have been elected you have fought on abortion - the public are not in agreement with your views and you lost the argument. Indeed, your argument was lost even in the commons when your speech was dreary and far too long. As to humiliation at PMQs. I watched the broadcast live and did not take the comment from the PM as humiliating. He knew you were frustrated as the press and many MPs were against your abortion amendment. We live in a democracy and you are very offensive against those who disagree with you. Further, you yourself have doled out some ghastly and rude comments against many of your colleagues - funny they do not run to the press to complain about your rudeness. As to your background - who cares? I am just delighted you do not represent me - you are not my sort of person and this has nothing to do with background. You are disloyal - not a quality that I appreciate.
- Jane, London, 11/9/2011 11:32Rating 22
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Kate, York. That is the problem in a nutshell. Politics has become the refuge of the mediocre and otherwise untalented. So the Palace of Westminster is stuffed to the gills with people you would not trust to make the tea. They fail to understand that their job is to put their personal bias aside for the overwhelming good of the nation. Hence, endless air time is given to debating things which are not in the national interest, and ignoring the things that are important. They are still less able to conduct themselves in a professional and intelligent manner, I believe Ms Dorries to be thoroughly mis-guided, as what she proposes is not about choice, but about trying to impose someone else's will upon an already heart-breakingly difficult decision. However, the school playground giggling is irritatingly childish. Is it too much to ask, that in a Nation which once spawned great statesmen, we could have some politicians worthy of admiration and respect?
- Sj, UK, and thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed of it., 11/9/2011 12:48Rating 22
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What did you do wrong? How about misrepresenting information? How about ignoring facts? How about continuing to push ahead with a scheme of which you were about the only person who thought it right? How about refusing to explain where your funding comes from? How about going on and on to such a degree that even the co-sponsor of your bill told you to shut up. How about your continued obsession with blaming Dr Evan Harris for almost everything that goes wrong in your life, or how about your simply inability to string more than 3 coherent words together in any form other than a nationally printed article? Shall I go on? How about your need to pick apart those who disagree with you as opposed to their arguments, or perhaps your obsession with faith over evidence or clear arguments or, maybe, finally, as demonstrated by this article - your need to claim victim status each time life doesn't go your way. Ms Dorries, you're a joke and a disgrace.
- Quincy, Nottingham, 10/9/2011 23:32Rating 22
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I am delighted that Dorries' amendment has been defeated and I find this article particularly self serving. A great many MPs have amendments defeated in Parliament and don't go running to the press. The more I hear about this particular MP, the more I feel she is a disgrace to women politicians.
- Liz, Bristol-ish, 11/9/2011 11:18Rating 22
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Crikey all this over one innocent line from Cameron, ‘I know the honourable Lady is extremely frustrated . . .’ which was not intended to be a joke or embarrassing for Dorries. She's making a right drama out of nothing, and in the process trying to smear the prime minister. I think the Conservative Party should sack her for disloyalty. The party can't afford these precious, over sensitive prima donnas. There's work to be done.
- Simon , London, UK, 11/9/2011 10:40Rating 21
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Since you claim to be aiming to give women greater choice, and yet are seeking to raise funds to have the state prohibit abortion by law where the time falls within the final four weeks of what is currently the legally agreed limit, the only impression the reader can take away is that you're not being straight with them. It's really quite patronising to think you can lay claim to championing someone's choice whilst simultaneously seeking to legislate against that choice and be taken seriously. The people vehemently opposing your anti-choice strategy did so for a very good reason.
- Greg Fox, Peterborough, Cambs, 11/9/2011 2:31Rating 21
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Poor poor me........ to say David Cameron went out to upset or humilate you is a lie he just used the word 'frustrated' in all innocence he cannot be held responsible for how people react ..... if you want to be taken seriously you have to be made of better stuff than this.
- gethin, london, 11/9/2011 16:50Rating 21
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You say you have spent six years getting to this point.Would it not have been better spent getting to the root of the problem ,which is to stop these unwanted pregnancies in the first place.
- Rolivan, France, 11/9/2011 15:03Rating 21
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Have no fear madam Cameron will be humiliated big time when he is out on his ear and is back on the back bench although it should be a park bench the man is ignorant and he is all powerful soon he will be of office and the sooner the better
- James buggy, Allanton Shotts Lanarkshire Scotland, 11/9/2011 14:11Rating 21
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Why did he humiliate her? I was watching PMs question time, she asked the question the rest of the house would not let him give a reply above the noise they where making from what I saw.
- william morton, Glasgow, 11/9/2011 17:05Rating 21
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This goofy looking prime minister plainly has no breeding. His parents' payment of Eton College fees was a waste of money. Insecure, poor boy, insecure.
- Soap Box, London, 11/9/2011 14:41Rating 21
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Cameron is showing himself up for the cocky over confident odious prententious little creep that he is. Roll on next election when he goes out with the rest of the trash.
- booth2710, Croydon sth, 11/9/2011 14:54Rating 21
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And the moral of this story is: thank goodness for Dr Evan Harris, and other doctors and informed individuals, exerting their influence with educated opinions, rather than allowing hearsay and spin to sway the easily led.
- Richard Nelson, United Kingdom, 10/9/2011 23:32Rating 21
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Oh what a shame, 21st century Politicians of the Former UK have been humiliating Britain and the British especially the English - so welcome to the club!
- Mike, Northumberland - England, 11/9/2011 16:08Rating 20
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David Cameron, public schoolboy bully, no more and no less. Playing up to his classmates.
- Michael, Middle England, 11/9/2011 7:47Rating 20
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"I asked the Prime Minister if he didn’t think it was about time that he told the Deputy Prime Minister who was the boss..." Well, dear, it seems you got what you deserved. On another note - I think you had better get a thicker skin if you wish to remain in politics.
- Rollo Tomasi, Bangkok, Thailand, 11/9/2011 5:12Rating 20
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Well..you wanted equality.. this is not about 'your' cause, this is about the fact that 'you' seemed unable to 'banter' back.. stop doing the sexist thing..boring..and yes it has raised 'your' profile.. maybe thats what you wanted more.. Cannot abide women, who moan about equal rights, then do not have the guts to respond..just go straight to the papers.. He did not make you a laughing stock, did that on your own.. - doreen, bedfordshire, 11/9/2011 12:12 This was not "banter" it was a debate on a serious subject which involved changes to the abortion law — in case you have forgotten that involves the mental and physical health of thousands of women each year. The result by Prime Minister (who could not make up his mind where he stood making a "joke" about a woman brought this important debate to a halt. It is quite obvious that you have never had to hold your own when working with powerful men who behave like "Public School Bullies" - which indeed they are.
- Isualt, Nice France, 11/9/2011 13:13Rating 20
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No one - no one - has the right to tell a women what has to happen inside her own body.
- TimesRoman, Switzerland, 11/9/2011 16:30Rating 20
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He said: ‘I know the honourable Lady is extremely frustrated . . .’ The House exploded again with raucous schoolboy laughter. I waited anxiously for him to continue but the laughter increased. He tried again, feebly, and then sat down, announcing: ‘I am just going to give up.’ Strikes me that Nadine Dorries is making a mountain out of a mole hill. She could have taken control of the laughter over the phrase by joining in and then continuing.
- Patty, Jersey City, NJ, 10/9/2011 23:32Rating 20
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No, Nadine, you humiliated yourself.
- Polly, London , 10/9/2011 23:53Rating 20
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It's time to put on your big girl pants! Get a grip and stop moaning. As for your plan to put the abortion limit at 20 weeks.. What happens to all the baby’s who need to be aborted for medical reason? You only have a second scan at 20/21 weeks where these things are picked up on. Less the 2% of abortions are of baby’s 21 weeks+. There are MUCH bigger problems then this.
- sophie, somewhere, 11/9/2011 0:58Rating 20
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Grow up Nadine. Cameron's quip was unintentional and, as a notable self-publicist, you are loving the attention it has brought you.
- Skipper38, Lymington, UK, 11/9/2011 9:04Rating 20
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It was a serious issue cheapened by a schoolboy jibe - If these people are running our country then we are in a mess. Those women who are suffering even now from abortions carried out without unbiased counselling years ago deserve far more than the guffaws of dirty minded politicians - This is just one more evidence of how low the morals of the nation have sunk. The PM and all those who guffawed should stand up and apologise publicly.
- Ken, Birkenhead UK, 11/9/2011 17:28Rating 19
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Mwahahaha go to USA they welcome biblebashers who like to dictate to women on how they should treat their bodies! We don't! Go away!
- Scarlett, Sheffield, 10/9/2011 23:20Rating 19
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To me, she wasn't 'bullied' as she has put it. Nadine Dorries has spent years playing the victim at every opportunity. She needs to toughen up, look that the abuse some MPs get on here simply because people disagree with their politics, they don't go running to every publication which will interview them complaining about it.
- Daniel, Bolton, 11/9/2011 1:41Rating 19
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"I can’t be angry with anyone other than the Liberal Democrats who tried to destroy the attempt to provide women with greater choice." Why are you trying to blame everything on the Liberal Democrats? The fact is that the majority of MPs in parliament heard arguments on both sides and decided not to lower the abortion limit. That is how democracy works. Get over it. And your bill would not have given women more choice, by reducing the limit to 20 weeks you would have given many women who find out that their baby is carrying a severe illness or disability in the 20-24 week bracket, less choice. Most women are not going to wait that long for an abortion unless there is a serious issue at stake.
- Sue, UK, 11/9/2011 15:05Rating 19
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Maybe its because you are so patronising and you continuously talk over people. Maybe a bit of self awareness might stop people finding you so irritating!!!
- Trevor, Churt, 11/9/2011 6:50Rating 19
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Nadine. The PMs answer must have been deeply embarrassing but if you were the strong independent women you claim to be you wouldn't have felt the need to write this article. When will our MPs stop acting like B-list celebrities and run crying to the papers whenever something bad happens to them? You're meant to be part of the leadership of this country start acting like it.
- John, London, 11/9/2011 0:47Rating 19
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A nobody trying to be a somebody. This woman has always raised controvertial issues to get herself noticed. The PM did not deliberately set out to embarrass her. If she'd been more professional she should have stayed and pressed the PM to answer. As for her suggestion of "blackmail", I hope she has all her facts on that, but if she had any aspirations for a cabinet spot, she's just kissed them goodbye.
- Mark, Stevenage, 11/9/2011 14:59Rating 18
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Whine, whine, what will Mummy think... I don't think this woman has what it takes to do the job.
- Firecat, UK, 11/9/2011 16:01Rating 18
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to those of you saying only irresponsible women become pregnant on accident - my partner and I were using two forms of contraception, both correctly, & I still became pregnant. my little boy is now 3 months old, & whilst abortion never ever crossed either of our minds, I am offended by those comments. I am not pro- abortion - I couldn't imagine life without my baby - but believe in pro choice. and totally agree that it is unfair that men get no say in the matter!
- rach, um, 11/9/2011 17:29Rating 18
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Stop whinging women. MP's have the hide of a rhino. Nobody's going to believe you're not manipulating this.
- ron, Cumbria, 11/9/2011 2:28Rating 18
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I fell asleep half way throught this pathetic, emotional, over-dramatised rant. If she can't stand the heat then she should stay out of the kitchen. Still, she's had her 15 minutes of fame, so all was not lost.
- George, Overseas, 11/9/2011 1:50Rating 18
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Aw, poor Nadine, I am weeping tears for your "humiliation" which you have successfully turned into another piece of self publicity.
- daniel livingstone, bromley, 11/9/2011 8:56Rating 18
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Ms Dorries's problem is that she is unable to separate fact from fiction and forgets the Devil is in the detail. She has publically admitted her blog is 70% inaccurate which contributed to the furore over her expenses claims as an MP. The question she refused to answer about who is funding her campaign and her association with American pro-life groups raises issues about her credibility. Her faux rage at being ''humiliated' is risible based on her conduct with a friends husband, personally I have no time or pity for her situation which she is entirely responsible for.
- Alison, Cardiff, 11/9/2011 0:34Rating 18
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Don't get mad, get even! Revenge is a dish best served cold, Nadine. Have patience...YOUR time will come to humiliate this limp excuse for a PM. Cameron has a lot of enemies on the Tory party back benches and their numbers are growing by the day. Cultivate and galvanise them and when you are ready to strike, make sure the dagger goes in deep. The nation expects nothing less.
- The truth is out there..., Somewhere, 11/9/2011 13:13Rating 18
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Stop winging- welcome to the real world!
- Charles, Herts, 11/9/2011 16:43Rating 18
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Of course it should not have happened but Dorres seems to have a single minded fixation about the abortion issue whilst nobody else cares. Frankly, there are much bigger fish to fry, like the economy and lack of jobs for our young people.Nadine, Timing is everything. have another go when everything else about the UK has been fixed. Stop peddling your pet projects.
- Josephine, St Annes, Lancs, 11/9/2011 6:05Rating 18
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Every day we hear some news item that proves we are being run by numpties.
- Mark, Thurrock Essex, 11/9/2011 10:59Rating 18
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I have no problem with women going for independent councilling, but the fact is at the moment, some so called 'independent' counselling organisations are clearly not! They have an agenda, they're religious zealots who push the guilt button on the pregnant lady. This is what needs stamping out. If it's to be independent councilling then it is to be independent, neutral, unbiased councilling. No ifs, buts, it's to be unbiased.
- Dave, London, 11/9/2011 17:33Rating 18
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oh get over yourself. I saw the PM was embaressed and couldn't continue. Not that he was having a go at you. he actually looked human. So the only way you look stupid is because you have risen to the bait.
- James, London, 10/9/2011 23:29Rating 18
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Nadine Dorries is the modern day equivalent of Edwina Currie. She is nothing but a superb publicity seeking careerist and will turn up on any television programme that invites her. She's getting behind this misguided abortion issue which is being driven by somewhat dubious organisations. Dorries - if you don't want to be ridiculed then I suggest you keep a lower profile and just get on with your constituency work. That is, after all, what you are paid for. But I suspect that is not enough for such a pushy, ambitious person and that we are destined to have your face popping up on our television screens (Strictly Come Dancing 2022) for years to come. And I have to say that makes me very, very sad ....
- John, Bristol, 10/9/2011 23:29Rating 17
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Next time please explain why you think 24 weeks is too long and not just say "I believe" as that says nothing
- Stephen, Weston-Super-Mare, 11/9/2011 17:11Rating 16
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The PM publicly humiliated me in front of the entire nation, what did I do to deserve that? Nadine Dorries Well, let's see. You tried to push your unwanted agenda onto already vulnerable women. You teamed up with American fundamentalist right-to-lifers. And You misrepresented the status and procedures of current abortion providers. Is that enough? Of course, if you were really that upset with your party leader, you could resign from the party and stand as an independant candidate on this issue - but perhaps your principals aren't quite that strong.
- Norman Bates, Airstrip One, 11/9/2011 12:02Rating 16
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" The PM publicly humiliated me." Nadine Dorries should be used to that - what about her statement ..." I've done nothing wrong - it's all within the rules " .... not so very long ago ? She might have chosen to forget - we haven't.
- Jack Russell.., Yorkshire, 11/9/2011 6:15Rating 16
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I knew she would be in the paper bleating..she just can't help herself. It was not the PM who ridiculed her, it was ther colleagues in the house.
- Jan, London UK, 11/9/2011 6:52Rating 16
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I think this woman needs to watch the carry on films and then lighten up. It was a gaff and for this woman to get all high and mighty and for her to try and give this impression of being so prim and proper is a joke! If she can't stand the heat get out the kitchen, we need proper MP's who concentrate on the matters in hand over the way this country has been cripples by the previous government and this allied government, this story is a joke!!!!
- ru, bucks, 11/9/2011 10:58Rating 16
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I tend not to agree with Nadine but that isn't the point. This woman is speaking on behalf of a life, an unborn life, that is a most serious issue and to make fun of it is just awful, terrible, disrespectful and inhumane. He should take the issue of terminating or ending the life of an innocent, baby very seriously, not laugh at it. Shame on you Cameron, shame on you, you shallow man.
- Marie, Lancs, 11/9/2011 13:33Rating 16
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The only way I would agree with an abortion is rape, incest, life of the mother. Or, if there was going to be something really bad wrong with the fetus. Where it wouldn't be able to function normally in life. In short if was going to be born in a vegetated state. Other than that it is murder pure and simple.. - Maureen Masi expat, Pennsylvania usa., 11/9/2011 18:44----Your body, your choice, now accord everyone else the same option, as it is not your place to decide that for them.
- Norman Bates, Airstrip One, 11/9/2011 17:10Rating 16
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Oh for Pity's sake! Don't be so pathetic Nadine.
- Betrayed, Sutton, UK, 11/9/2011 10:59Rating 16
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What's her problem? Cameron's been publicly humilating the entire electorate since he got in!
- horseloverphat, poosville, planet earth, 11/9/2011 13:37Rating 16
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Wasnt this woman involved in the expenses scandal....I believefrom what I have read that women are counselled when going for an abortion...I wonder if she felt humiliated over that!!
- Jean, London England, 11/9/2011 15:34Rating 16
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Clegg is scum. DC has bought him, body and soul, and everybody understands why he must humiliate Nadine Dorries to keep Clegg onside. shame on all of them, sexist pigs. not one of them can ever aspire to any form of decency again. Such a hoot! What a wonderful put-down! ha ha ha! Just imagine how the jolly, jolly boys are going to have to live with this reaction for the rest of their lives. well done, Nadine. perhaps you might ask DC in writing if he thinks that there are enough abortions, or perhaps we should have a few hundred thousand more! and does anybody really believe that there are no consequences for this mass slaughter? 4000 abortions a week, and increasing, year on year? do we really think that we, as a nation, are not going to pay for this? if we condemn Denmark for child porn, then what are we by comparison? well done, Nadine. shame on you, DC. shame on you!
- tony diamond, suffolk, 11/9/2011 2:12Rating 16
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What you did, Nadine, was to voluntarily put yourself in the public spotlight by becoming an MP....now stop whining.
- David, Sutton, Surrey, 11/9/2011 1:35Rating 16
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"I believe the upper limit for abortion is too high at 24 weeks and that women presenting for an abortion should be made an offer of independent counselling." So in other words you want to use the "offer" of counselling to reduce the number of abortions. This is also why you want to stop abortion providers from counselling - presumably they give the wrong advice. Okay, you want to roll back women's de facto and de jure rights to an abortion. Why not be honest about it?
- Stephen, Stockport, 11/9/2011 1:05Rating 16
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She is not the first and won't be the last to be humiliated inside parliament, however much it wasn't really meant. Parliament is a nasty place at times - actually MOST of the time. Too full of themselves as a matter of fact.
- John, London, 11/9/2011 7:47Rating 15
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The truly vile protagonists in this ugly squalid little debate are LABOUR: these lickspittles seek to curry favour with the feminist leftists among them, their wives and colleagues, and to hell with principle, honour or integrity. A cowardly, hypocritical bunch of child murderers who not only revel in their crimes but celebrate their support for such atrocities. I will never, never this side of Hell, ever vote for Labour again. - John, Halton, 11/9/2011 14:39 Of course, it all makes sense now! A Conservative back bencher asks and receives a reply from the Conservative Prime Minister, but really its the Labour party who are in charge of everything. I've heard of hard-of-hearing, but hard-of-thinking is a new one on me.
- Norman Bates, Airstrip One, 11/9/2011 13:15Rating 15
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"I know the honourable Lady is extremely frustrated" - ok, its not my native language but what is the joke here? - Alex, St.Petersburg, Russia, 11/9/2011 >>>>>>>>>>It has sexual connotations - and when men in business feel threatened by women, they inevtably resort to this type of immature schoolboy humour in order to hide their own inadequacies.
- Lottie, Bristol, 11/9/2011 13:35Rating 15
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she is a female conservative MP. she will therefore always be treated shabbly by the bullingdon boys, who were put into care at the age of 7 and had limited access to women. as for her abortion debate---given the mess that the country is in, it really does look as though she is chasing her on pet ideology when parliament has far more imprtant issues to dscuss at the moment. if she wants to reduce abortion, how about research into the root cause of all of these uwanted pregnancies, the a program educatingboys and men in how not to get a woman preganant in the first place. less emotive, and far far cheaper, and would be supported by all parties.
- deirdrebaker1, medway, 11/9/2011 7:01Rating 15
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Hmmm. She is an MP....... She is being treated the same as a Man in debate. You cannot have it bothways... Woman MPs should be given no quarter and treated soft.. Male MPs get treated rough whats the problem..
- Mike, West Midlands, 11/9/2011 10:16Rating 15
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It ill behoves a gang of men to make light of such an important issue. The pictures of their smirking faces belong in a locker room not the Commons - they should be as ashamed of themselves as most decent people are of them.
- Susanna Smith, Newmarket Suffolk, 11/9/2011 1:58Rating 15
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She lost the argument and now she is blaming everyone but the House of Commons janitor. This is not so much frustration as evidence of a paranoid personality pattern.
- des, scotland, 10/9/2011 23:52Rating 15
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He did not humiliate Nadine Horris he humiliated himself, abortion is a serious subject and not one to be laughed at. How very worrying to find the topic of abortion funny.
- Samantha, London, 11/9/2011 12:31Rating 15
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Not half as humiliated as many feel by having this half wit as prime minister.
- Wills, Soton, 11/9/2011 4:38Rating 15
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Welcome to politics ! Now toughen up, stop whining to the press & get on with your job.
- Joe, Aylesbury, 11/9/2011 0:48Rating 15
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"Folks, two non-entities having a pop at each other, lets move on from these self - serving idiots...(!)- alan, beverley, east yorks, 11/9/2011 14:12 ...................................... This female politician, from a very humble background, spent years working on something to promote vulnerable women' choices, while you, so pleased with your ignorant opinion, think you have the right to dismiss her with one pathetic sentence. Don't comment on things you neither know nor care about.
- kams, London, 11/9/2011 14:50Rating 15
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Sensitive little petal ain't she.
- nick, sydney australia, 11/9/2011 10:38Rating 14
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I thought that the UK government had much more things to worry about other than a womans right to bodily autonomy. Obviously not.
- Mia, Windsor, 11/9/2011 17:24Rating 14
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The sheer majesty that is our venerable democracy in action. A shining beacon to the world.
- James Hargreaves, Mamers, France, 11/9/2011 16:14Rating 14
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I am not pro-abortion; in fact as a Catholic I am quite anti, but I can see that if the time limit is lowered to 20 weeks, it is the poorest women with fewest resources either financial or emotional/intellectual who may suffer most. Wealthy women could always procure early abortions, but the poor were often forced out of desperation into back street abortionists' hands and subsequently died, which is why even though i personally disagree with abortion I was relieved to see the 1967 Act passed. No woman knows what choices she would make until the situation arises. I do not think a Parliament still dominated by men has the right to decide what happens to womens' bodies.
- Clodia, Durham, England, 11/9/2011 11:37Rating 14
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Maybe, Just maybe, parliament laughed at you because everyone else understands that a party with less than half of MPs can't force through everything & anything it wants. You must compromise Nadine IF YOU DON'T WIN AT THE GENERAL ELECTION! That she's here complaining about it just goes to show how right the house was to laugh at her. Silly woman.
- Bodmass, Milton Keynes, 10/9/2011 23:14Rating 14
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Stop whingeing. You lost. Get over it.
- John Frum, The South Pacific, 10/9/2011 23:46Rating 14
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'I like a Prime Minister who has the humility to say sorry in such a genuine way" ... since when did apologising by text become genuine? Sending a text is a coward's way out of facing up to bad behaviour and it should never be excused ... least of all from a Prime Minister.
- Over 'ere, Adelaide, Australia, 11/9/2011 5:57Rating 14
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And these are the leaders of our country who we are supposed to look up to?? You would see better manners in a room full of 10 year olds. Don't expect an apology from that little twerp Clegg who is the one driving this government. He has Cameron by the b...s. Nadine should explore her legal options for taking action against the ones shouting her down as she was denied her right to speak. This is just another part of the sleaze and intimidation that is endemic in our governments.
- Alex, Elgin, Moray, 11/9/2011 7:52Rating 14
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Sorry but from what she says it was the house making their childish noises when he tried to answer that caused the problems. Just because she did not get her way on this she is saying its sexism that killed what she wanted. Complaing that the libdems have some say in Government is a bit pathetic a its a coalition so there has to be give and take on both sides.
- Surprised, UK, 11/9/2011 10:21Rating 14
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Actually what the PM said was perfectly acceptable - it was the schoolboy antics of the house that made it offensive. We all know that they are supposed to be grown men, but surely any woman who works in a nearly all male environment knows how to handle herself and their stupidity. I worked as the only woman for 13 years and I found that taking umbrage like a silly little girl did nothing to improve my standing - with either sex.
- wilkpat, France, 10/9/2011 23:59Rating 14
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The wilfull termination of a life is murder, not manslaughter, not death by misadventure, it's murder. If you make the decision rationally to end someone's life then it's murder. - craig, glasgow ------------ Stop stating this as fact, it isn't, this is just *your* opinion. Incidentally, in law you are wrong anyway, that's the whole point of the argument, which you seem to have conveniently neglected.
- Dave, London, 11/9/2011 17:30Rating 14
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Cheeks burning? Having to walk out of the Chamber to "compose herself"?? Then she simply does not have the intestinal fortitude necessary for the job of MP and her constituents should vote her out at the next election.
As for crying "sexism" -- no, dear, an insult isn't "sexist" merely because it's directed at a woman. Stop the pathetic whingeing! If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!
- Lancashire Lass, in Los Angeles, 11/9/2011 16:24Rating 14
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Dear Nadine you just want to make it harder for women to have control over their own bodies. Why the dishonesty?
- Chris, Yorkshire, 11/9/2011 10:50Rating 13
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Crikey, you ask the prime minister "if he didn’t think it was about time that he told the Deputy Prime Minister who was the boss" and are surprised by a raucous respose? I suggest it wasn't the answer that was the problem, but the question.
- Dr Ruth Livingstone, Stamford, Lincolnshire, 11/9/2011 12:56Rating 13
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"So a woman MP who is trying to help women in her country gets insulted and ignored by the Prime Minister - this is a reflection on the way that all women in this country are viewed by the government and I for one find it very offensive." Cameron treats everyone like they're beneath him. He certainly doesn't restrict it to women.
- Steve Cheney, Nottingham, UK, 11/9/2011 15:50Rating 13
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So we have a Chancellor who at an awards ceremony, makes jokes that can't be printed in national newpapers, and an unelected prime minister who behaves like this. Heaven help us if this is the best that Eton can produce.
- John Bull, Wolverhampto, England, 11/9/2011 11:27Rating 13
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She asks "Why would people object to the fact that such a move may reduce the number of abortions?" Well, because it will increase the number of unwanted children. Children who will possibly (probably?) be brought up in very difficult circumstances by resentful parent(s) who were bullied into keeping a pregnancy that ruined their life. More feral 'accidents' to keep the DSS busy? No thanks.
- Annie, Devon, 10/9/2011 23:21Rating 13
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Hang on a second... didn't her question in parliament set out to deliberately humiliate Cameron and Clegg in one go? So when her targets bite back, she sticks her bottom lip out?
- Not A Sheep, The Real World, 11/9/2011 11:19Rating 13
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The issue with "independent advice" is that it opens the door to incredibly biased advice - and I suspect you full well know this, and in fact support it, because you want biased anti-abortion groups to be able to offer advice. It's ridiculous to assume that just because a provider offers abortion it is "pro abortion" and will offer pro-abortion advice, anyway - this is not a simple black vs. white debate where you either like or dislike abortion. On the whole, no one thinks abortion is a great thing in and of itself, just that some of us think its availability is a necessity. Also, reducing the limit was voted down not very long ago at all - why are you pressing a clearly unpopular viewpoint? A reasonable limit is needed to allow women time to discover their pregnancy, then get advice and make a non-rushed decision. Surely you can agree with the need for those things.
- Jo, Leeds, 11/9/2011 0:14Rating 13
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You are a Labour MP and that is sufficient. Get over it! - Roy Race, London, 11/9/2011 1:32 You can't blame this train wreck on Labour. She's a Tory.
- kevin, Newcastle, 11/9/2011 9:36Rating 13
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i watched the debate and she was laughting along with everyone else, in fact it was cameron who was red in the face, and can someone please tell me when they last saw a mp humiliated. they dont know the meaning of the word after the way they have behaved over the last ten years. its the british public who have been humiliated over the years in front of the whole world by her and the other six hundreds behaviour.,. theres been a race on over the last ten years as to who can get to the tax payers money first,the goverment or the eu. she just another big brother contestant in waiting.
- vincent barrett, spain, 11/9/2011 12:41Rating 13
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Shut up. If you are an MP I'm sure you are capable of taking abusive comments. If not get out of Parliament I'm sure you are merely trying to stretch your short media exposure
- hearditallbefore, west mids, 11/9/2011 16:30Rating 13
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why do you give this woman column icnches in which to whine and moan.if her skin is so thin then she has no place in government.grow a spine luv and get back to work or preferably get out and find another job more suited to your sensibilities.
- lobo , york, 11/9/2011 6:05Rating 12
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Sorry but that sort of thing goes on 24/7 in the House, it's nothing new but what is new is that Ms Dorres is playing the poor me wounded woman card, using her sex to bring about condemnation of Cameron whilst praising him for his apology. I'm not buying it. I have watched as Miliband, Balls, Prescott and many others have tried to ridicule Cameron but he has never resorted to self pity, and never received an apology. Learn to roll with it or get out of politics.
- Pass the Dynamite, West Sussex, England, 11/9/2011 11:21Rating 12
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I am no fan of Dorries, but I do as a fifties adoptee agree that the abortion act needs updating..babies of 24 weeks can survive with medical intervention.. - bonnie scotland, scotland, 11/9/2011 09:44 You are ignorant of the facts. Look up Edwards Syndrome. Detected sometimes at 23-24 weeks. No one should have to endure that, neither infant or mother. Edwards Syndrome alone would be worth keeping the 24 weeks mark in place.
- Pixie9, Aberystwyth, 11/9/2011 11:26Rating 12
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Why would you then go on to hold a BBC interview where you insisted over and over again that you had won and got what you wanted?! It was cringe worthy to watch and now makes you look even more ridiculous
- 999, london, 11/9/2011 9:57Rating 12
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"I know the honourable Lady is extremely frustrated" - ok, its not my native language but what is the joke here? I think he tried to avoid direct confrontation after her suggestion "to show who is the boss here" (which was rather rude by the way) but it didn't quite work as he intended.
- Alex, St.Petersburg, Russia, 11/9/2011 13:03Rating 12
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Call me Dave showed here that he doesn't really give a damn about this topic for debate. I was shocked that he is so childish as well as gutless and weak. How about they think of the women involved for a change and think what Ms Dorries proposal will be giving them if they want it. Let us not forget that the Lib dems are THE JUNIOR PARTNERS IN GOVERNMENT NOT the other way round as they seem to think.
- Marie1797, Britain, 11/9/2011 15:34Rating 12
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High time for 'Dotty' Dorries to grow-up and get on with it.
- Roy, Chester, UK., 11/9/2011 13:42Rating 12
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If I were her I'd resign. That would teach him.
- SeaBee, London, UK, 11/9/2011 11:37Rating 12
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what a pathetic bunch they are .that is the lot of them .i think you should have to have a background in the real world before you can enter politics its just the same in ozz ,they are so busy scoring political points the real issues are forgotten or bungled.
- a colling, perth australia, 11/9/2011 13:11Rating 12
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What a good move, whine about it in the DM, that's bound to smooth things over. Very silly move, whatever the wrongs or rights of the subject.
- Dino Fancellu, Epsom, 11/9/2011 1:33Rating 12
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Grow up Dorries, he didnt humiliate you, other neanderthals in the house giggled like schoolboys at a response which wasnt completed. Ive worked in a male dominated enviroment for years and if your going to get all missy about things like this then your in the wrong job. You should have got straight back up and shut them all up rather than running away because you had hurt feelings. So things didnt go your way, it happens.
- Bec, Grays, 11/9/2011 10:12Rating 12
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what a pathetic bunch they are .that is the lot of them .i think you should have to have a background in the real world before you can enter politics its just the same in ozz ,they are so busy scoring political points the real issues are forgotten or bungled.
- a colling, perth australia, 11/9/2011 13:11Rating 12
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What a good move, whine about it in the DM, that's bound to smooth things over. Very silly move, whatever the wrongs or rights of the subject.
- Dino Fancellu, Epsom, 11/9/2011 1:33Rating 12
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Grow up Dorries, he didnt humiliate you, other neanderthals in the house giggled like schoolboys at a response which wasnt completed. Ive worked in a male dominated enviroment for years and if your going to get all missy about things like this then your in the wrong job. You should have got straight back up and shut them all up rather than running away because you had hurt feelings. So things didnt go your way, it happens.
- Bec, Grays, 11/9/2011 10:12Rating 12
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If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen
- Biggles, Gtr Manchester, 11/9/2011 1:51Rating 12
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Nadine, you deserve to be humiliated for attempting to push through a religiously driven agenda. That fact that your amendment bill was so overwhelmingly crushed, shows how completely deluded you are. Oh, if you're hearing voices in your head, time to seek professional help.
- Lee, Essex, 11/9/2011 1:12Rating 12
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Who cares love? Go away and stop seeking media attention!!
- Diana, London, 11/9/2011 9:04Rating 12
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>>> A voice inside my head screamed: ........... <<< I thought as much - the woman hears voices in her head. Hardly the level of sanity we might wish for in a Member of Parliament.
- Tynes, Oxford, UK, 11/9/2011 10:03Rating 12
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You are smug, spoilt brat and a one term Prime Minister. You have managed to recklessly fritter away a huge reservoir of good will accumulated as a result of NuLabour's criminal tenure in office. Are you listening Dave ?
- Tony , Worthing , 11/9/2011 15:47Rating 12
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Football managers pick their players on ability. Blair and Cameron were selected on looks and ability to make smart speeches. 'Squeaky voice' Beckham and ugly Drougba were selected on ability. See the difference? Don't blame Cameron who is out of his depth, change the way you vote.
- Toto Kubwa, Cyprus, 11/9/2011 14:39Rating 12
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Firstly, the age for abortion is about right just as it is and secondly, get over yourself dear..... You're in the world of politics and if you can't deal with it, get out of it!
- Johnny Johnson, ex-pat Brit, Middle of nowhere, somewhere in Africa, 11/9/2011 6:57Rating 11
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@Alex, St.Petersburg, Russia, 11/9/2011 I know the honourable Lady is extremely frustrated" - ok, its not my native language but what is the joke here? I think he tried to avoid direct confrontation after her suggestion "to show who is the boss here" (which was rather rude by the way) but it didn't quite work as he intended. - Alex, St.Petersburg, Russia, 11/9/2011 Alex it is indeed an insult as he used the comment 'honourable Lady' (which he has to as etiquette of Parliament) and followed by "is extremely frustrated" is a innuendo that she is going through a menstrual cycle or/and is sexually frustrated -either way it was a put down. Very unbecoming of a supposed Prime Minister who is supposedly to be able to lift discussion out of the gutter. Our standard of politician is at an all time low.
- Rob, Stockton-on-tees, UK, 11/9/2011 15:26Rating 11
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Talk about a Drama Queen. Cameron wasn't trying to humiliate her. He was trying to be sympathetic.
- Jonathan Begg, London W2 4RD, 11/9/2011 15:49Rating 11
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Here's what you can do about it Nadine: Get a sense of humour.
- sponge, London, 11/9/2011 10:19Rating 11
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Nadine, you had six years to write your speech and left it to the last minute and then didn't have time to finish. However, presumably you got all your expense claims in on time. You're unable to prioritise your work and appear not cut out for politics other than taking the money- Reading your story you have a lame excuse for everything. What a waste of six years on a personally folly jolly.
- Trinny, Londres, 11/9/2011 13:13Rating 11
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Just be grateful you have a job dear - and I can call her dear because I am female also ....
- Linda, the dustbin that used to be Great Britain, 11/9/2011 15:59Rating 11
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I watched this exchange in PMQs and have to say that I did not think anything of it. I realised when great guffaws came from all sides that it could be taken as an inuendo but I honestly do not think it was meant in that way by David Cameron. I count myself as an independent woman who believes in equality for all but this has got to be making a mountain out of a molehill. Publicity I think - tacky!
- Suzie Q, Bedford, 11/9/2011 10:08Rating 11
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Its not called the "house of commons" for nothing
- to the point, northern Germany, 11/9/2011 10:55Rating 11
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She and Louise Mensch do like to grandstand.Very tiresome!
- Boris Livingstone Clegg, London and Cape Town, 11/9/2011 9:09Rating 11
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It's wonderful to see an MP passionate about women's issues. Independent counselling would be of great assistance to women facing one of the toughest decisions of their lives. I hope in future Nadine received the respect in parliament she deserves and continues to fight for women, even if no one else isn't. It can't be easy being a woman in politics, but surly the conservatives need to improve their standing with woman voters, this can't have helped.
- Sarah, Buckinghamshire, 11/9/2011 3:28Rating 11
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24 weeks IS too long.
- Oliver Portant, Reading England, 11/9/2011 0:05Rating 11
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He won't be laughing when the Coalition lose millions of votes to UKIP!!
- Steve, Australia, 11/9/2011 11:11Rating 11
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What are you moaning for woman ? You and your ilk have over the years destroyed this Nation and you got paid for doing it !!!
- Pete, sw, 11/9/2011 9:44Rating 11
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Bless!!! What are we getting in Parliament these days? Girlies wet behind the ears? I have to remind the Honourable Lady that "if you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen". We have here a Lady who has stood all the rough and tumble of a Parliamentary Election and a few words from the PM reduce her to a quivering wreak? No way. She is using the fact that she is female as a weapon.
- GrumpyOldPensioner, Manchester, 11/9/2011 9:45Rating 11
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The woman is a vicious homophobic, anti-abortionist Christian. She shouldn't even be in the government, let alone the cabinet. If she doesn't like the job, I'm sure there are many more out there more suitably qualified capable of replacing her.
- Rob Neal, United Kingdom, 11/9/2011 10:01Rating 11
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I heard the Prime Minister make this comment. I was appalled at Him and the stupid, childish reaction from the House. Once again, the 'Ya-Boo' boys had the day. Shame on the PM.
- The Peasant, uk, 11/9/2011 9:58Rating 11
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THIS IS LIFE OR DEATH NOT SOMEBODYS EGO.
- MARGARET ADAMS, SIDCUP KENT, 11/9/2011 10:24Rating 11
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It showed up the yob culture that's operating inside the House of Commons - so that must have been some sort of victory. It's clear that Nadine Dorries' question regarding abortion was obstructed and put off at the expense of a great deal of behind-the-scenes effort - meaning that she's being taken very seriously indeed. As for Cameron - he behaved like the spineless, jumped-up pipsqueak he is, and it won't be forgotten. If he'd treated his own wife this way, I daresay that he'd have been on his bike by now.
- Philip, Bankrupted Britain, 11/9/2011 11:59Rating 11
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Shouldn't have joined the Tories (there's not a drop of conservatism in them) over UKIP then, shouldn't you?
- Alex, Pitcairn, 11/9/2011 13:13Rating 11
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I don't have any sympathy for Nadine Dorries, she is a conservative MP, she should never publicly undermine the party (or coalition). It doesn't bother me that David Cameron went to Eton, I am bothered though by the fact that he can't function like a normal professional. In the institutions that I have worked at, you would get strung up by your ears for that kind of boorish behaviour.
- Anonymous, Anonymous, 11/9/2011 13:09Rating 10
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I do not agree with this woman and I am pro-abortion, but she is right - David Cameron should treat an honest question with respect. He is sexist, and for that reason I will not vote for him again despite being a Conservative from birth. (Also, he won't do anything about immigration!)
- Ems, UK, 11/9/2011 12:15Rating 10
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I wouldn't have forgiven him. That is the second time he has humiliated a woman in parliament. I think he has problems with women MPs and if I were them I would give as good as I got right back at him. - Margaret, Alva, Scotland, 11/9/2011 03:27 Agreed - there does appear to be an issue with him accepting women as equal. I suspect his closeted public school background has a lot to do with that. After Blair and Brown we needed a strong Prime Minister. Instead the Tories have provided us with a guffawing sexist fool with no courage or no conviction.
- Gavin , Sutton, 11/9/2011 9:58Rating 10
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The question, as most can see, is do we want abortion counselling offered by organisations who believe it to be a mortal sin? As these are the only groups able to step in if specialists are removed. Groups who were recently found to be lying to women seeking abortion by telling them things such as abortion leads to breast cancer. Oppose abortion by all means, but don't demand that women be given medical lies to dissuade them. Interesting that it was the largest defeat ever for an anti-abortion vote in parliament.
- Bodmass, Milton Keynes, 10/9/2011 23:19Rating 10
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Mr Cameron has not lived up to any of my expectations. His behaviour towards Nadine Dorries was rude, childish with the sort of remark boys use behind the school shed and to think THIS BOY is running the country. I am ashamed to have voted Conservative.
- Jenny, Isle of Wight, 11/9/2011 8:18Rating 10
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Nadine it isn't ALL about YOU - your speech in the Commons, which I watched in it's entirety, was self-serving and self-obsessed. I am no doubt you are passionate about abortion but please stop using it to become a self-proclaimed martyr.
- Gary, Isle of Man, 11/9/2011 9:22Rating 10
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Nadine - you humiliated yourself love when you conveniently "forgot" which was your "main" home and which was your "second home" when caught fiddling your expenses, and then compounded the offence by admitting that you were often "economical with the truth". I don't think anyone has any sympathy or respect for expenses cheats.
- R.F.Yorke, Yorks, UK, 11/9/2011 9:34Rating 10
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Abortion at such a late stage is pure evil. Keep fighting those lib dem monsters Nadine!
- Ms B, Cambridge, 11/9/2011 8:37Rating 10
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You're an MP. You'll want some compensation I suppose. A tax break. A better deal on your expenses. Humiliated? Get real and get a life. Come and see how real people live sometime. Get over it.
- Cliff, Beverley, 11/9/2011 8:13Rating 10
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It's simple Nadine, we know that once we start to tinker with womens rights it's a slippery slope. You are a front for the right wing christians. It is your goal to open the flood gates to eventual criminalisation of abortion.
- stephen kay, Basingstoke UK, 11/9/2011 7:46Rating 10
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Do not worry dear, no one noticed you before and they certainly do not now, you will still be collecting your inflated salary and bloated expenses, so sit down and do some work.
- Ex Pat, Spain, 11/9/2011 8:58Rating 10
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I will not be the first person to disagree with this lady's opinion on certain matters of abortion, nor will I be the last, but I find it sickening how childish those in parliament were in that debate, and how back room power plays removed any chance of this having a fair and reasonable debate. There is no party worth supporting these days: They're either weak, ineffectual, racist, homophobes or corrupt and in the pocket of big business. Don't we all love good old fashioned 'Democracy'?
- Liam , Cramlington, 11/9/2011 0:19Rating 10
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I have visited the womans blog site. Not only is she totally self absorbed and a inveterate publicity seaker......she is actually not very bright!! She has been very lucky to get this job and more so to keep it after the expenses fiasco. Sadly all this means that even if she has a valid point she will not be heard because she has damaged her own credibility. Personally I feel abortion is a matter for those closely involved and no a matter for big brother. So I struggle to understand her pushing of this........my conclusion is that it is a self publicity bandwagon for her!!! Nuff Said
- pip pip, lagos portugal, 11/9/2011 9:38Rating 10
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I strongly disagree with the time limit for abortions being reduced and I do not think there needs to be an amendment to offer counselling. When a woman decides she needs an abortion she does not need yet another voice telling her she is wrong. I have been in this position due to failed birth control when I was young. I did not want the whole world to know what I was doing and arranging time off from work was traumatic enough with seeing two doctors and the time off for the abortion and then mine was not easy and I was taken ill immediately after and was still trying to cover up what I was doing. This was over 25 years ago, I had left it late through innocence about what was happening to me and when I realised I was pregnant getting everything done in time was hard but I coped. To this day my husband and I dont regret what we did as although we later married, to have had a baby when so young would have mucked up our lives for a very long time and it was our CHOICE!
- carol, UK, 11/9/2011 13:05Rating 10
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I don't agree with what Nadine Dorries tried to do (essentially offer emotional blackmail to women in desperate circumstances, by allowing groups with anti-abortion agenda's to offer counselling). However I was horrified that she was humiliated by her own party and her own PM in such a way. If you support the idea of democracy, everyone should be allowed their say regardless of whether or not you like their politics. On the issue of abortion, I think the UK figure is so high because some women use it as a form of contraception, rather than the last resort it ought to be. What would be more prudent would be to offer better sex education. By the time I reached secondary school we were offered sex education, unfortunately half the girls in the class were already sexually active; too little, too late. Is it any coincidence that the UK starts sex education later than most other European countries and has one of the highest teen pregnancy and abortion rates?
- Lucy Webster, Sheffield, 11/9/2011 13:37Rating 10
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Hey Nadine,man up.It's politics;not tea.
- Prima, L.A. CA. U.S.A., 11/9/2011 11:35Rating 10
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Anti-abortionists who bleet on about it being murder should spend their time better by educating girls before the unwanted pregnancy rather than stepping in after the event and shoving their one-sided opinions in the face of someone who is probably not even in a good situation to bring up a child.
- Rachel, Oxford, 11/9/2011 16:17Rating 10
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You humiliated yourself by running away! If you aren't strong enough to be a politician and take the knocks, step down and let someone that can handle it do the job. And please, the sexist angle really is pathetic. What happened to you is no worse than what happens to oter politicians (male and female) time after time after time. And I'm sorry but your coming from a Liverpool council house and him from Eton does not give you any rights to lecture anyone on your "down to earth common sense". What you really need is to grow up and decide whether politics is actually for you If it is and you really believe in the issue as you seem to then stand up for it, shout about it and get the changes made. While people laugh at you they are laughing at the issue and that is wrong!
- kahonen, Andover, 11/9/2011 7:56Rating 10
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Guess you will cross the chamber to join your fellow-travellers then? Never in my life have I read such a self-pitying,whinging,whining piece. Get over it. Chip on shoulder,nothing much inbetween methinks.
- michael hughes, backabeyond,spain, 11/9/2011 11:23Rating 10
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Dorries only has her self to blame as she makes statement's and 99% of the time refuses to say who is behind her. Plus her last Abortion in HP in 2008 she made medical statement's that were beyond my comprehension ( having a medical background myself) I also think she lives on being the centre of attention in newspapers etc and we are all quite fed up now of seeing her, even news on her romantic relationships. Since 2005 I cannot see anything worthwhile that she has don for Mid Beds but she certainly has told us an awful lot about her daughters\and stalking etc: she has many problems and I think it's about time now she retired from being an MP as she must be an embarrassement to David Cameron.
- margaret, East Sussex TN5 6RJ, 11/9/2011 4:35Rating 10
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Time to grow up. Your in politics & will have a lot worse said about you in the future. David Cameron was trying to answer your question, but because the odious speaker hasn't got anyones respect, and both sides were laughing & shouting, it was easier to sit down. It was bad timing, nothing else. A lot worse is said in the real world.
- Bobby Mills, Milton Keynes, 11/9/2011 0:46Rating 10
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You have a mouth, an opinion and the grand platform of the House of Commons. You had every opportunity to use them all to your advantage at the time- you didn't, so stop your pathetic 'woe is me, I'm a hard done by female' whining!
- Elaine- Justice for The Lawrence Family. . , Birmingham UK, 11/9/2011 9:48Rating 10
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well,well,well, so Cameron and Osbourne are finally showing their true colours. Are you surprised? I'm not, Ignorance is classless, and the people who think they have class are usually the so called toffs, who still think the people of this country should still be touching their forelocks in deference. The lady had every right to put forward the motion as do all MPs, and she should have been heard with courtesy. As far as I am concerned Cameron and co have shown their deep comtempt for the female of the species, and at the next election I hope the majority of women put them firmly in their place. OUT OF POWER.
- Jean Hurel, Exeter England, 11/9/2011 15:35Rating 10
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What did you do?? The answer is very simple. You chose to enter a job full of thieves, liers, layabouts, bullies and hooligans! Read some of the articles in the press, read some of the comments about those articles. Many MP's ask what to do about the falling numbers of voters at elections. YOU should not be suprised, many are just refusing because it matters not where we put our cross, we get the same class of thieves, liers, layabouts, bullies and hooligans! If you believe I and many like me are taring you all with the same brush, yes we are, it is YOUR party.
- John Mitchell, Lincoln, England, 11/9/2011 15:36Rating 10
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"Edwards Syndrome alone would be worth keeping the 24 weeks mark in place". - Pixie9, Aberystwyth, 11/9/2011 11:26 ..... There have always been exceptions to the abortion rule and this would remain in places for conditions such as Edwards, that doesn't stop the limit being lowered to the more reasonable limit of 20 weeks. Healthy babies are surviving at 21 weeks now so something should change as the current limit is morally obscene, and to leave 24 weeks in place for the sake of avoiding one condition is a ridiculous comment. Women taking control of their contraception would be a good start. - Susan, Scotland, 11/9/2011 13:54 Not a ridiculous comment Susan, my life. 24 weeks exactly. You have not lived through this, all your comment has succeeded in doing is to make me feel a little bit worse today if possible. You don't know what you are talking about.
- Pixie9, Aberystwyth, 11/9/2011 15:36Rating 10
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Would a male PM write a whiney poor little me article like this if the same thing happened ? Did she expect breathless silence from that always raucous gathering ? Silly woman.
- starrsville, atlanta, georgia, usa, 11/9/2011 14:16Rating 10
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If someone said that to me, I would laugh my head off and come back with an equally effect dig. Thats life and when men who use subtle playground tactics do this sort of thing its all par for the course.If she's unable to cope with this sort of pompous sarcasim then why work in politics?? Surely it would be more adult and self respecting to rise above it, and concentrate on what she is fighting for? If you believe in something, you dont let obsticals and chauvenistic idiots upset you and whinge about it, you hold your head up and soldier on, take it on the chin, deal with it like everyone else has to and carry on with you are fighting for. You let it go over your head and dont let people see they have annoyed you. Thats the adult and proper way to deal with things!
- Lindsay, Warrington, 11/9/2011 15:42Rating 10
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Get a grip woman, if you cant stand the heat you are not fit to be an MP
- John, SW, 11/9/2011 12:41Rating 10
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Ms Dorries is neither sensible nor serious.
- Angee, Coventry, 11/9/2011 14:42Rating 9
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A politician whining when she gets caught up in politics. What next ?
- Hamad Lone, London, 11/9/2011 11:15Rating 9
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She wants anti abortion people who have a religious agenda (like her Anglican) to be 'independent' councilors! If we didn't have legal abortions just what would our population be? - David Prestbury, MacclesfieldUK, 11/9/2011 It wouldn't be much higher than it is already, or probably no difference at all. The vast majority of women who get abortions are middle class and do it for career reasons. If you think abortions are going to stop teenage pregnancies and single motherhood you're wrong. For the simple reason that they want the babies. Do you think having the people who carry out the abortions also doing the counselling is a good idea? Can you not see the conflict of interest in this?
- craig, glasgow, 11/9/2011 17:07Rating 9
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Dear Madam. Public school bullies ,if they laugh at you take as a badge of honour,i shall never vote for them again' jon cheam
- john bose, north cheam.surrey, 11/9/2011 15:10Rating 9
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so, someone else is to blame for your failure, but you dress it up as an attack on you as a woman?? There is nothing wrong with our abortion laws.
- helen, huddersfield, 10/9/2011 23:26Rating 9
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Cameron is a smart Alec who cannot be trust by his own side let alone the electorate..get rid!
- Peter, DEESIDE, 11/9/2011 9:09Rating 9
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"... in front of the entire nation". I for one was completely unaware of this until I saw this headline. If you had kept quiet, Nadine, this would have bypassed 80-90% of the population! If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, dear. Women need strong women to represent them. It sounds like you are not one of them.
- Double Dutch, Canterbury, 11/9/2011 10:36Rating 9
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She should pay more attention to her job and people she represents instead of this typical self centered politician view grow up woman it was banter if you cannot deal with this you should be doing something else.Dont forget your expenses though.
- cyril, bedford, 11/9/2011 9:08Rating 9
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You were humiliated because you asked a question to the Prime Minister that was designed to humiliate HIM, dear. You were humiliated because you dragged on your little speech about abortion, your false studies, etc and dominated the time allocated for the discussion surrounding your failed amendment and the bill in general. Are you really surprised that everyone laughs at you? Because, dear, you deserve it. Your arrogance is bewildering, and your claims of sexism? Pathetic. Maybe it's time for you to get a new job.
- Angry, United Kingdom, 11/9/2011 7:56Rating 9
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Nadine, You know why these attempts to change the law cause such a fuss. You are ant-abortion and these things are the thin end of the wedge. You can't just bring in an amendment to ban abortion, so you will attempt to kill it by a thousand cuts. Everyone knows this and thankfully we live in a civilized country where women have a choice and our parliament wants to protect this right. I am never prouder of parliament than when they kill one of your unwise amendments.
- Chris, London, 11/9/2011 10:36Rating 9
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Being humiliated is a well known side-effect of trying to impose minority views on the majority.
- Alaric, London UK, 11/9/2011 8:59Rating 9
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Please Nadine, ask David Cameron the same question next PMsQT - you're not the only one in the country who would like to know why Clegg and co wield so much power when they only have 8.9 percent of seats in parliament.
- persephone, reading, 11/9/2011 8:11Rating 9
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In the past an MP would have given a witty and clever reply. Now the whining women just complain.
- aspidistra, Kent, 11/9/2011 9:46Rating 9
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The answer is don't get involved in politics if you don't have a thick enough skin.
- Ken Bethell, Mazarron, Spain, 11/9/2011 14:45Rating 9
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Abortion is one of several issues where if you dare raise your head above the parapet and question the current orthodoxy, even just to make a few changes here and there, the lynch mob will mercilessly hunt you down - the lynch mob being the so-called liberal intelligentsia. - Mark Gollop, Poole, Dorset, 11/9/2011 14:07 Calm down, dear. Tell me, have you ever actually witnessed a liberal lynch mob? I can picture it now: lots of standing around wondering what colour the rope should be. Nobody has ever been lynched literally or figuratively by liberals - that has remained the preserve of the extremes at both ends of the political spectrum. Strangely, Mrs Dorries' desire to poke her nose into other women's reproduction does raise quite a few similarities with past and present regimes around the world, not one of which could ever be defined as liberal.
- Norman Bates, Airstrip One, 11/9/2011 13:02Rating 9
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Yes, 'reasonable behaviour' would be expected from those who have put themselves in elevated positions in our lives. Yes, I expect more from MPs. At times both Houses seem like a schoolboys' outing, yells, calling abuse, loud unnecessary laughter. The Bill to reduce the time for abortion is long overdue. 24 weeks, i.e. 6 months is too, too, too long - the baby is formed and a living being at that age. A woman knows if she wants an abortion and mostly it is for the very best of reasons (too many to list here). And it MUST BE THE WOMAN'S CHOICE. I am sick of hearing what about the man's choice. Any man DESERVING a choice would be on the side of his woman and would know and understand her reasons. If she is unmarried or without a partner the choice is hers and hers alone. The trouble you are having Mrs. Dorries is that our governance is STILL THE MAN'S province. All the men in parliament think they (and only they) have the right to make decisions for the population.
- LLAMADOS, pensioner still taxed by IR to pay for overseas aid and immigrants , 11/9/2011 7:49Rating 9
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Nadine Dorries reveals her motives for the amendment in this interview as 'bringing the numbers of abortion down.' I thought it was all about helping women? Or is it helping women...to come round to her point of view? Not nice.
- Juliet Oosthuysen, Worcs, 10/9/2011 23:18Rating 9
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"I still cannot understand why anyone would object to a woman receiving the offer of pre-abortion counselling? Just an offer, not compulsory." Maybe because you want it to be the kind of religious influenced "counselling" they have in Texas were vulnerable rape victims get told they are going to Hell for being raped and aborting the baby....
- Peter, Brighton, 11/9/2011 0:29Rating 9
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It was a stupid question. She got a stupid answer. Now she feels humiliated? if you can't take the heat, then leave.
- Tom R., UK, 11/9/2011 9:43Rating 9
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Marie Stopes aren't corrupt - just because Tories see everything through money-tinted spectacles of self-interest, don't mean everyone else does.
- Jonathan, Potters Bar, UK, 10/9/2011 23:36Rating 9
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Nadine doesn't yet understand that the unrestricted right to an abortion and divorce, and of course suffrage for women, are the capstones of British feminism. Undermine any of those and the whole feminism concept is attacked. Now understand what feminism is really about, the right of women to opt out of religion in their relations with men. Therefore Nadine represents an unwelcome intrusion of religion into the House of Commons. Thus she is fit for ridicule, as is anyone else demonstrating any pretension to religion.
- Charles, Fleet, UK, 11/9/2011 0:16Rating 9
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...shes making things worse for herself...why not just take it on the chin ...you are with the big kids now.
- couldntcareless, uk, 11/9/2011 9:40Rating 9
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It is David Cameron who has been humiliated, shown up as a cowardly bully, can't answer a question ? cue the laughter.
- jack., ashford.england, 11/9/2011 12:57Rating 9
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Subjects the public are passionate about are always ridiculed by these unaccountable idiots but she has milions of people supporting her now. Cameron will suffer greatly, his own grass roots party faithful appear to despise this rich, spineless puppet.
- tj, Preston, 11/9/2011 12:57Rating 9
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Calm down dear , its only schoolboys having fun !
- Billy , Middle England, 11/9/2011 11:10Rating 9
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How come the photo of Ms Dorries on the home page to headline this article looks so much different from the ones taken in the House of Commons?
- Giddy Aunt, UK, 11/9/2011 10:59Rating 9
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Get a backbone you stupid woman and stop whinging, these woman make me sick they are so pathetic.
- Pollyanna, Woking, 11/9/2011 13:41Rating 9
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Delusional Dorries at her very best. All that happened here was that everyone saw her horrible brand of religious politics through the thin veneer of "down to earth common sense"
- Rich, St Albans, 11/9/2011 7:44Rating 9
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There's too many people in the world as it is.
- anon, uk, 11/9/2011 11:16Rating 9
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What dis I do to deserve that? Fiddled tens of thousands of pounds on your expenses. Ditched your husband who has multiple sclerosis and shacked up with a married man. Claiming to be a devout Catholic whilst being guilty of divorce,adultery ,theft and bearing false witness(you admitted 70% of your blog was made up). Will that do for starters. Be sure your sins will find you out.
- stephen, rotherham u.k, 11/9/2011 8:26Rating 9
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Cameron demeaned his high office and Clegg demeaned his amusingly low office. Mrs Dorries behaved with courage and dignity. Parliamentary questions are notified to Ministers days in advance so that answers can be drafted. Was Camerons insulting response to Mrs Dorries planned? If not, let him make public the answer he had intended to give.
- Colonel Mortimer, Ubique, EUSSR, 11/9/2011 11:19Rating 8
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Honestly. I have more important things to worry about, especially today. So I don't really give one about your pathetic wining
- Coop., Somerset, 11/9/2011 10:33Rating 8
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As far as I'm concerned if you play with the boys you have to run with the boys and keep up. Politics is a dirty business, always has been and we have had few women in the past but this slowly but surely is changing. However, equality rules the roost and if you can't take the heat whether you're a man or a woman get out of the kitchen. Phew, it's damn hot in here.
- Woman of Substance, Manchester, 11/9/2011 12:51Rating 8
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The saying "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen" springs to mind.
- Lurch, Palma, Spain (ex-pat), 11/9/2011 6:33Rating 8
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I am actually pro abortion in pretty much any circumstance. But I can't understand why the pro abortion lobby is so virulent in it's suppression, by fair means or foul, any opposing view.
- Geoffrey, Richmond, 11/9/2011 1:02Rating 8
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Your article is full of half truths. You say 'offered' independent counselling - but I believe the bill would insist upon it? And not from the current charities that provide it so well. You also call the Labour party pro-abortion. I think you might mean pro-choice? A view shared by the majority of people in this country. You have embarassed yourself with this offensive bill and now this pathetic article. A discredit to womenkind.
- Andrew, Birmingham, UK, 11/9/2011 8:00Rating 8
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Well, I for one am certainly not voting for Cameron again. He is a useless joke. I never thought anyone could give Brown a run for his money on poor performance but now I'm not so sure.
- Dave, Gloucester, 11/9/2011 1:56Rating 8
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Oh Grow up! If you can't stand the heat you shouldn't be there. Having said that Cameron should have remained until the laughter subsided and answered her question - that was the rudest part. Let's not forget that it is very likely that he did not make the remark on purpose.
- sophie, belfast, 11/9/2011 10:03Rating 8
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Me, me, me. Come on Nad, give it a rest.
- Rick Worth, Rochester UK, 10/9/2011 23:18Rating 8
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Well Nadine you could always change your political party and join UKIP, represent them in parliament, but I'm sure you won't.
- david, exeter uk, 11/9/2011 10:01Rating 8
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Never mind love. You'll get over it. It's not as if that many people listen or watch PMQs, but at least now with the put down you have had you five minutes of fame!!
- Peter, Wiltshire, 11/9/2011 11:46Rating 8
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I don't like Nadines politics or her views on the abortion issue. That said she has a right to speak and be heard. Cameron yet again showed himself to be arrogant and sexist. He really has a bad attitude to women and this is showing in his manners and polices (more women unemployed, more children in poverty, single parents mainly women attacked as scroungers, irresponsible etc). Cameron always does this fake laughing when he can't answer a question. I find it very childish and very insulting the the people asking the questions. He does it with men and women but he's far nastier and put down clown with the women. So a deal was done by the LDs - vote down the abortion plan and we'll let the tories destroy the whole of the NHS? Is that true? If so an utter disgrace but then it is the LDs we are taking about here so I am not surprised.
- Gina, Yorks, 11/9/2011 9:45Rating 8
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I am no fan of Dorries, but I do as a fifties adoptee agree that the abortion act needs updating..babies of 24 weeks can survive with medical intervention...and we have this twisted logic here a viable baby can be incinerated but an adult terminally ill isn't allowed to end it on their terms. and who can object to independent counselling when clinics make money out of abortions??? As for teh sexist schoolboy behaviour...wouldn't anyone else in any othr workplace be reprimanded for behaving like this towards a colleague. of course we know MP'S DON'T HAVE TO OBEY THE LAWS, LEGAL OR MORAL
- bonnie scotland, scotland, 11/9/2011 9:44Rating 8
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What an odious little cur.
- Steve Cheney, Nottingham, UK, 11/9/2011 0:47Rating 8
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Never mind love. You'll get over it. It's not as if that many people listen or watch PMQs, but at least now with the put down you have had you five minutes of fame!!
- Peter, Wiltshire, 11/9/2011 11:46Rating 8
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I don't like Nadines politics or her views on the abortion issue. That said she has a right to speak and be heard. Cameron yet again showed himself to be arrogant and sexist. He really has a bad attitude to women and this is showing in his manners and polices (more women unemployed, more children in poverty, single parents mainly women attacked as scroungers, irresponsible etc). Cameron always does this fake laughing when he can't answer a question. I find it very childish and very insulting the the people asking the questions. He does it with men and women but he's far nastier and put down clown with the women. So a deal was done by the LDs - vote down the abortion plan and we'll let the tories destroy the whole of the NHS? Is that true? If so an utter disgrace but then it is the LDs we are taking about here so I am not surprised.
- Gina, Yorks, 11/9/2011 9:45Rating 8
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I am no fan of Dorries, but I do as a fifties adoptee agree that the abortion act needs updating..babies of 24 weeks can survive with medical intervention...and we have this twisted logic here a viable baby can be incinerated but an adult terminally ill isn't allowed to end it on their terms. and who can object to independent counselling when clinics make money out of abortions??? As for teh sexist schoolboy behaviour...wouldn't anyone else in any othr workplace be reprimanded for behaving like this towards a colleague. of course we know MP'S DON'T HAVE TO OBEY THE LAWS, LEGAL OR MORAL
- bonnie scotland, scotland, 11/9/2011 9:44Rating 8
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Get over yourself Nadine, you are nothing but a Jobsworth, a cheat(£50 in bra)and misleading over expences, you are no angel.
- Mabel Thorpe, nr Skegness, Lincs, uk., 11/9/2011 9:28Rating 8
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This article in six words: "Whine whine whine life's not fair" That is all.
- Albo, Weymouth, Uk, 11/9/2011 9:44Rating 8
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You are a Labour MP and that is sufficient. Get over it! - Roy Race, London, 11/9/2011 01:31-- She's a Conservative MP - do you still want her to 'get over it'?
- Kevin, Nottingham, 11/9/2011 9:16Rating 8
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Oh get a life Nadine.....do you honestly believe the PM deliberately intended to 'publicly humiliate' you....i suggest it was just a slip of the tongue which caused the house to laughter(female MPs also) and as you well know laughter by many is infectuous. You really must have had a sheltered life if you have not heard worse than the ill timed comment.......not quite the person to represent normal voters if you go into a tizzy at such a comment. To suggest the PM or any of your colleagues would deliberately use sexist or gender comments in the house where every word is recorded is ridiculous.....any member would be petrified of having the crazy raving PC brigade(which it appears you are a leading member) which is destroying the language and freedom of speech of this nation.........just grow up and laugh at yourself, and accept it was a slip of the tongue!!!
- Daveyboy, Hornchurch, 11/9/2011 10:04Rating 8
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Funny, I saw you grinning away with everyone else, Nadine. If you can't take a gentle joke, get out of politics. Your grandstanding is doing neither you nor the Party any favours.
- A. Howlett, Manchester, 11/9/2011 9:54Rating 8
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Unless you have the skin of a Rhino, stay out of politics.
- buz, uk, 11/9/2011 9:21Rating 8
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Cameron has had a good teacher. From his naighboor Mr Clarkson. One of the most insulting men ever to make it on to TV other than oin a comedy show.
- jane, northants, 11/9/2011 13:30Rating 8
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Nadine, you just received a discursive dose of the sexism you have worked hard to establish structurally in British life through policy. It's not pleasant to be on the receiving end of it, is it? Maybe it's time to rethink your politics, and stop attempting to pass legislation that is harmful to women and girls.
- EJD, London, 11/9/2011 13:59Rating 8
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Cameron is an old Etonian, what do you expect? He was brainwashed by men in a men's envonment. Women are to him second class citizens.
- Kurt Mitherell, London, UK, 11/9/2011 13:13Rating 7
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Yes he did humiliate her in front of the nation. I don't agree with her view but she has a right to be heard. She represents a body of opinion in the country who are anti abortion. They have the right to stand up for what they believe in, EVEN if others disagree, it is called democracy. Cameron has done this twice, I believe quite on purpose to dodge a question he doesn't want to answer. Now and I see his stooges are out in force to support anything he does. But be warned Cameron this does not sit well with many voters and some of us have long memories.
- Marie, Lancs, 11/9/2011 11:59Rating 7
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I don't believe it was deliberate, but it does show that the House is full of juvenile men, and they run our country. This would NEVER happen in the boardroom of a professional company, and if so, it would be back to business very promptly. Disgraceful.
- Ms Glo, London, 11/9/2011 7:23Rating 7
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A text message makes everything OK , if only all problems were so easily solved. I wonder what she is saying in private?
- stan, leeds, 11/9/2011 0:11Rating 7
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Appalling disregard by Cameron for allowing a debate on an extremely important subject.
- Al, Edinburgh, 11/9/2011 12:44Rating 7
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Get over it luv - you're not that important and nobody cares.
- MRA, Manchester, 11/9/2011 9:25Rating 7
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The infantile behaviour of the MPs making screeching like baboons while the Prime Minister was trying to speak made a mockery of themselves and the entire House of Commons more than it did of Miss Dorries. Cameron was no better joining in with a snide smile and failing to answer the question.
- Sailor 25 , The deep blue sea, 11/9/2011 5:20Rating 7
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It is a Catholic doctrine that oppose contraception and ABORTION maybe the Catholics who want to force counselling on Mothers who have decided what they want should tell us if they always use contraception for in the Catholic Church both are viewed in the same way - the latest poll says a HUGE majority of people have NO want to change the current abortion law, We are not a Catholic Country!
- fairy, fairyland, 11/9/2011 10:07Rating 7
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So much misinformation here. But that's what we expect from Nadine Dorries. Firstly, she says that she had heard that the PM wouldn't support her "just minutes before the debate". That's clearly nonsense as the newspapers had covered the story days ago - she had even blogged to deny it. Secondly "blackmail" is a ridiculous way to describe standard political bargaining. And finally, her question demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of how parliament works. The Tories and the LibDems are in coalition. That doesn't mean that the LibDems just do whatever the Tories what them to do. It's a process of bargaining and compromise. Sometimes, the Tories will have to give concessions to the LibDems. This is one such occasion.
- Dave Cross, London, UK, 11/9/2011 7:58Rating 7
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An apology by text isn't much of an apology at all. The gutless wonder should have *talked* to her, in person if he was actually sincere. He should 'apologise' by actually answering her question, without making a joke of it. However you feel about the right or wrong of the bill, this latest episode highlights Cameron for what he is.
- Andrew, Broken Britain, 11/9/2011 12:07Rating 7
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There is no evidence that abortion providers are encouraging abortions as opposed to the alternatives. Nor is there any reason to believe that independent counseling organizations would provide a more balanced framework for women to make the decision about whether or not to terminate. A BBC investigation found a very high level of satisfaction with the counseling received prior to abortion decisions at present. This amendment would not have led to a reduction in the number of abortions (its main purpose) but it would have made the pathway more difficult and protracted and hence more traumatic for the women involved. It was a bad proposal which is why the majority of MPs voted it down.
- Richard, Mersyside, 11/9/2011 8:26Rating 7
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You embrassed yourself making a mountain out of a molehill and storming out like a child....what ever happened to laughing at oneself then the incident would have gone un-noticed. I just wonder at her abilites as an MP with her lack of communication skills....winge, moan...kitchen too hot get out...
- maggie2shoes, london uk, 11/9/2011 2:48Rating 7
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"The limit should remain at 24 weeks, giving time for the woman to consider carefully whether to bring yet another child into this overpopulated world. It also gives sufficient time to all the necessary tests should there be a danger of an inherited disease." Do please check your facts before commenting. The abortion limit on a disabled fetus is 40 WEEKS not 24!
- Liz Ward, Huddersfield, 11/9/2011 12:52Rating 7
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I think everyone is missing the point here. Cameron should allow all subjects to be discussed by our elected MP's. He does not own the government. "I may not agree with what you have to say but I will defend your right to say it"
- Andrew, Alton, 11/9/2011 16:22Rating 7
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Good grief get over yourself. If you want to play with the big boys you can't just use the gender card when something doesn't work in your favour.
- Buzz Cagney, Swindon, Wiltshire, 11/9/2011 16:21Rating 7
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He is a typical oafish Etonian and product of the Bullingdon Club. Just learned to present himself well.
- William Orr, Yorkshire, 11/9/2011 15:33Rating 7
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You wanted equality you've got it. Politics is a hard game Nadine, if you can't stand the heat get back in the kitchen.
- John Gee, London,England, 11/9/2011 16:34Rating 7
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You are a Labour MP and that is sufficient. Get over it!
- Roy Race, London, 11/9/2011 1:31Rating 7
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Grow up and act like an adult, not a child in a tantrum.
- John , Grimsby UK, 11/9/2011 7:48Rating 7
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We won? You really do delude yourself, don't you Nadine? You lost, and rightly so. Abortion and a women's right to choose it are fundamentals in any humane society . You don't have the nerve to try and ban abortion outright so like privatising the NHS you try and do it by stealth, putting up blocks wherever you can claiming to be doing it 'for women' when really you are doing just the opposite. Why not sit on a budget airline flight from Dublin and explain to the fraught young women on board about 'independent counselling'? We put up a fight and stopped you-you obviously can't deal with this. We the enlightened, are always supposed to roll over meekly and if we don't we are dammed for our fanaticism. Your empty headed attack on women's rights failed-now have the good grace to go.......
- Free Palestine, Ecotopia, 11/9/2011 7:40Rating 7
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I am actually pro abortion in pretty much any circumstance. But I can't understand why the pro abortion lobby is so virulent in it's suppression, by fair means or foul, any opposing view.
- Geoffrey, Richmond, 11/9/2011 1:02Rating 7
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If she cannt stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen!
- hagar, Qblackpool uk, 11/9/2011 5:21Rating 7
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If this lady who is supposed to be a representative of the people of UK/GB thinks that trying to get sympathy through the DM is going to help, then she needs to sit down and think about her job, her role, and her attitude. MPs are renowned for not understanding how badly people view the antics in the House of Commons; her own remarks are no less inappropriate than those of the PM, and in my opinion the entire house should be closed down so these "representatives" are forced to stop their childish debates and go out and do something useful.
- Pete, London, 11/9/2011 9:29Rating 7
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What an odious little cur.
- Steve Cheney, Nottingham, UK, 11/9/2011 0:47Rating 7
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Nadine Dorres tried to ask a question and Cameron tried to respond. His response got drowned out by schoolboy laughter from MPs who took it as an innuendo. Can you imagine that happening in any other workplace?
- Robyn, York, 11/9/2011 9:25Rating 7
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One has to learn to take such comments as and if they come with contempt if they are not two your liking you are not the first and most certainly not the last. person to feel any form of humility. Find another position if the heat is overbearing.
- graham {ex pat glad i left.} old soldier , Portugal, 11/9/2011 9:38Rating 7
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Calm down dear!
- nickster, basingstoke, 11/9/2011 10:02Rating 7
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Grow up, stop your whinging, you want equality now you have got it. The half person gets this all the time but she's too thick to realise
- Richard, blandford, 11/9/2011 8:57Rating 7
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This is nothing to with humiliation by PM. It is purely about sour grapes that her amendment failed. That is democracy Ms Dorries, get over it.
- Kulgan, of Crydee, 11/9/2011 8:58Rating 7
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Nadine, you are ruling in a COALITION! That big word means an arrangement between TWO parties to get AGREED policies implemented. It is DIFFERENT to one party rule where you can expect your side to do exactly what you want. If you say that Lib Dems have too much influence, you presumably mean that they should have NO influence. If that's the case, get your boss to resign and we can have another general election. That would result in a probable Labour majority, especially as the Lib Dem vote would collapse in lots of seats where Labour lost by small margins. I guess that's what you want, so please, GO FOR IT! Otherwise, stop whingeing!
- The History Man, France, 11/9/2011 8:30Rating 7
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Nadine took a heroic stand against the bully boys who should be ashamed of themselves. Abortion is murder. Who speaks for the unborn child. At 24 weeks the child is fully formed. We have the highest abortion rate in Europe. Shame on Cameron for joining in the attack.
- Nick Hanley, Mawdesley UK, 11/9/2011 8:47Rating 7
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Nadine really does make a fool of herself sometimes!
- Reader, UK, 11/9/2011 9:43Rating 7
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Ms Dorries, stop trying to gain media career ad your boss wont have to put you in your place dear, you were elected to be an MP not a media career, I will also add it is very pathetic to proclaim the Labour party Pro Abortion without showing act evidence to that claim and as an MP you should know better than that otherwise you can always get lesson from Uncle Dave to straighten you out love.
- Kent Michael Driver, Lancashire, 10/9/2011 23:42Rating 7
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If we have the highest number of abortions in Western Europe then the solution is not to hamper the right each women has to one. The only proper answer is ensure each and every person in school recieves a very good sex education.
- Laquisha Jones, Wolverhampton, UK, 11/9/2011 9:31Rating 7
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"............."I know the honourable Lady is extremely frustrated" - ok, its not my native language but what is the joke here?........." ----- Alex, St Petersburg Russia, the joke is that in English this can mean that someone is SEXUALLY frustrated. That's why everyone roared with laughter. Childish, yes, but I can see the humour.
- Rosemary, London, England, 11/9/2011 13:40Rating 7
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It wasn't sexist. You just lost, both the argument and the bill. Accept you lost and don't fall back on using your gender as an excuse, you do yourself no favours.
- Jools., The North., 11/9/2011 13:12Rating 7
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CAmoron's days must be numbered - everything he says and does is wrong and often anti-British. All issues: immigration (more coming in now than when New Labour were in office!); the EU he said we would have a referendum (now he says deifinitely not!); he tried (miserably) to take credit for the police action during the riots!; his insulting behaviour against this lady, etc, etc, etc. He is no Conservative, and me being a lifelong Conservative, I am ashamed of him and his sham Conservative government. Mr Moron - please GO!!!!!!!!
- Sam, English in England and ashamed of Cameron, 11/9/2011 16:32Rating 7
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Football managers pick their players on ability. Blair and Cameron were selected on looks and ability to make smart speeches. 'Squeaky voice' Beckham and ugly Drougba were selected on ability. See the difference? Don't blame Cameron who is out of his depth, change the way you vote. - Toto Kubwa, Cyprus, 11/9/2011 14:39 How dare you say that Drogba is ugly!!!
- Amoke, London, 11/9/2011 16:50Rating 7
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Absolutely pathetic - I watched this live and if she's embarrassed by Cameron's amusing response, then what a fool she is, especially since her appearance on Newsnight laughing it all off!!!
- MB, Manchester, 11/9/2011 12:16Rating 6
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- dee, surrey, 11/9/2011 1:32................I hope you were as vociferous in your condemnation against the female. Labour MP who took offence to Cameron for using the term 'dear.' Dorries was discussing the taking of life or is that too emotive a term to use incase some of the sisterhood may be upset by this. As for 'fatherless' babies many wimmin made that choice and we now have the meaning of fatherhood almost removed from 'family' based on the sexist policies by the last government. You no longer need to have the fathers name on a birth certificate for goodness sake! Is that progressiveness??
- Rick, Teesside, 11/9/2011 13:25Rating 6
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Independent counselling would be great but it isn't there and Nadine Dorries doen't want it. She wants people like Care Confidential doing the counselling (in their counselling training manual they say "abortion offends Gods heart" yet they are the UKs biggest 'independent' counselling services). If this were a well thought out proposal which demanded more regulation of counselling I'd totally agree with it but it was a farce so that Nadine Dorries could trick women into having unwanted babies. Very dubious woman.
- Charlotte, London, 11/9/2011 10:10Rating 6
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Give me a break.... boohoo, what will Mummy think! Grow up, if it is too hot in the kitchen get out and bake cookies elsewhere. I was one of the first women to be a member of the Institute of Directors, after building my own franchise organization in the UK. Did not use my "I am only a woman, be nice to me" image. If you want to play with the grown-ups, act like one. Pathetic woman! Cameron was right, you sound frustrated!
- marcella, brooksville USA, 11/9/2011 16:21Rating 6
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Don't tell us! Go and have a word with him and give him hell for it!
- Dave, London, 10/9/2011 23:48Rating 6
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Either quit the Tory whip or else put up and shut up.
- Camerton, Morpeth, UK, 10/9/2011 23:29Rating 6
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Gosh, what a whinging bore this woman is! Not content with being self-appointed guardian of the nation's wombs, now she should be treated with kid gloves by all at Westminster. Had a sense of humour at all, she could've turned Cameron's faux pas to her advantage, but these pinch-faced self-important religious fundamentalists take themselves so very seriously, and only know how to order, berate, whinge and prate. Go away
- N.Cockburn, Falkirk, UK, 11/9/2011 7:39Rating 6
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Nadine let me tell you the Humiliation goes to that Rable in parliment . They are like a herd of Sheep shouting down every person who has a serious point . Its a disgrace to watch them every Wednesday at PMQT. The Country is in trouble and all Cameron can do is get a cheap laugh out of a nice Lady and its not the firstt time.remember his *calm down*. . He keeps going off about a Broken Society well his bad manners and those around him are not great role models. Last Wednesday he could not even manage a straight answer to that wimp Miliban. Also that other Wimp *Clegg * is having a great time in doing his best to split the Conserative does he really believe he will be a Prime Minister one day.
- jim davis, birmingham, 11/9/2011 1:25Rating 6
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Come and join UKIP Nadine
- Jason Patchett, Norfolk, 10/9/2011 23:13Rating 6
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I realy cannot feel sorry for ms Dorries, who in my opinion is simply using abortion as a stepping stone to political gain and for her own advancement is willing to dictate to others what they should do with their own bodies. I can't even see whast the insult was.
- daves , chelmsford, 11/9/2011 9:16Rating 6
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It is a Catholic doctrine that oppose contraception and ABORTION maybe the Catholics who want to force counselling on Mothers who have decided what they want should tell us if they always use contraception for in the Catholic Church both are viewed in the same way - the latest poll says a HUGE majority of people have NO want to change the current abortion law, We are not a Catholic Country!
- fairy, fairyland, 11/9/2011 10:08Rating 6
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Your question at PMQs was flippant and deserved to be treated as such. If you had asked a sensible question directly related to your amendment (with which I have sympathy), you'd have been within your rights to have though he "can’t leave it at that", but you know full well that David Cameron cannot criticise the DPM in PMQs.
- Nicholas Slide, London, 11/9/2011 8:20Rating 6
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Calm down dear, it's only politics
- Richard, Storrington, 11/9/2011 9:13Rating 6
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Whenever he is put on the spot Cameron shows himself up as a cowardly and sly sychophant. I hope she keeps at it and achieves her aims. I think she will, as she is not the sort of person to back down from her more mouthy opponents.
- Charlie W, Gloucestershire, England, 11/9/2011 8:50Rating 6
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Get over it (and yourself). If you feel hard done by then perhaps you're in the wrong job?
- George Brown, Romford, Essex, 11/9/2011 0:09Rating 6
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Devious Dorries over expenses and second homes. Cameron played it brilliantly and her ego trip got what it deserved: nothing.
- Matt, London, 11/9/2011 9:11Rating 6
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Stupid woman
- niles winter, london, 11/9/2011 9:21Rating 6
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Get over yourself!
- Susie, London, 11/9/2011 9:16Rating 6
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Despite your declared passion for the topic you fail to recognise you're the wrong person to front the campaign. You don't command the respect of the House or public as back benchers have and still do. In PMQs you were out of your depth; you had a rare opportunity to raise your agenda in front of the whole House AND on national television but you were unable to control your emotions and squandered the moment by attacking Nick Clegg. Niave. A backbencher with your experience should know the furore and glee this would create on opposition benches. In short, you did this to yourself. A more skilled politician, who thought more about their policy than their own image, would have used the opportunity to greater effect. But yet again, you squander the opportunity to raise your agenda clearly in this article, instead choosing to focus on your own emotions and feelings. Shame on you Ms Dorres.
- Martin P, Manchester, 11/9/2011 9:12Rating 6
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she will be used to humilation,she has done it to herself on many occasions.
- steve4349, falkirk, 11/9/2011 7:19Rating 6
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Llighten up Nadine. What happened to you scouse sense of humour ?.
- charlie, canada, 11/9/2011 1:54Rating 6
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you tried to have a pop @ Nick & Dave and it backfired, dont dish it love if you cant take it, you have nothing to say and you say it too loud. do yourself a favor and calm down dear.
- Tenchy, Hither & Yon, 11/9/2011 13:27Rating 6
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- Kenneth, East Anglia, England, 11/9/2011 .........A very good description.(and what a pathetic spectacle it is to observe, PMQ's). Frankly embarrassing for us watching...
- Miriam, London, 11/9/2011 12:33Rating 6
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Unfortunate choice of words by Cameron picked up by guffaws on the Labour benches. Juvenile behaviour for what is quite a serious issue but honestly for her to ask if Nick Clegg has too much influence while he is sitting right next to the prime minister what did Dorries expect? Cameron has to keep lib dems onside and her vote would not have got through considering how pro-choice they are.
- Julie, Cornwall, 11/9/2011 16:35Rating 6
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Silly women she should not be so sentive, if I had been in her shoes I would have just laughed along with everyone else. She has humiliated herself by making such a big issue of it. I am sure "call me Dave" did not say it deliberately, it was a slip of the tongue. Get over it woman and grow up
- Erika, Co Durham, 11/9/2011 12:44Rating 6
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The man is beyond his use / sell by date, he is not a true Conservative, and the sooner he is replaced by a true Conservative PM who will sort out the LibDems the better it will be for the country, and he should but won't give the people a referendum on the EU. The man is a verbal bully and epitomises everthing that is distasteful about PMQ's and sadly the House of Commons has so very many examples of MP just like him.
- Ranbow, Dundee Scotland, 11/9/2011 15:03Rating 6
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Get over it. You’re in politics that’s what happens. Next time do a bit of blackmailing yourself. Of course that might be a tad difficult for you as you don't seem to be playing the game.You have obviously left the school yard a while ago.
- stephen Lennon, Wirral UK, 11/9/2011 15:01Rating 6
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You should spend more time caring for the folk of Mid Bedfordshire then you wouldn't get yourself into these situations.
- Mike, Bedfordshire, 11/9/2011 8:45Rating 6
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I suggest some of the MP's attend a few abortions of 20 plus weeks and see if they still have the stomach for it.
- Jonty, Wales, 11/9/2011 11:32Rating 6
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They really shouldn't let children in.....................
- Susan Park, B'ham, 11/9/2011 10:50Rating 6
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What gives this whinging femal the right to dicate to others?
- John, Somewhere in the Midlands, 11/9/2011 14:49Rating 6
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The goal for you Nadine has always been to seek publicity for yourself - you're rent-a-quote on the news all the time and you yourself "froth at the mouth" with anger at the drop of a hat. It's pretty tedious. And the really sad thing is you don't have the intellect to back it up. That's why you're a figure of fun. Am sure you're utterly convinced in your views, and yes these are serious issues, but you are no political titan. So please do give it a rest.
- Bill, Kent, 11/9/2011 8:08Rating 5
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Serious subject but for goodness sake woman, get a sense of humour - it was a joke!
- Sandra, Spain, 11/9/2011 11:09Rating 5
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It's only a bit of counselling, what is Clegg & Co so afraid of? terrified by the reading of this article.
- Pythinia , Oz, 10/9/2011 23:29Rating 5
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Keep going Nadine, you have the silent majority on your side.
- jamest, Manchester, UK, 11/9/2011 1:06Rating 5
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Cameron did not humiliate you, Ms Dorries - he humiliated himself. As an Englishman, it was downright embarrassing to see the British Prime Minister behaving like a prepubescent schoolboy in the Chamber of the House of Commons together with his sniggering new best chum, the Biggest Loser Clegg. I haven't seen behaviour like that since I was a 12-year old in my (all boys) school. Anyway, Ms Dorries, remember the old adage: don't get angry - get even. There are shades here of the way Heath treated Thatcher with contempt and we know who won that war. Cameron really is an insignificant man, and arrogantly stupid to go with it. He has plenty of weaknesses and it is up to the new Conservative intake to ditch this sham of a man who has no place in the Conservative Party, let alone leading it.
- Jonathan Spencer, London, 11/9/2011 0:41Rating 5
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The only think she is good for is a laugh. Basically her own self-reflection. She got an apologise from the PM: it is all part of the games of politics she wants to play a role in herself. Stop moaning.
- L.L. Jones, Amsterdam, Netherlands, 11/9/2011 11:08Rating 5
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I saw this live and I noticed that Clegg moved moved deliberately into camera shot behind Cameron to show he was laughing along - is he trying to get more popular by making us think he has a sense of humour and is one of the boys ?
- Stephen , chester uk, 11/9/2011 8:58Rating 5
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What did you do to deserve this? What, other than spreading misinformation, and accusing anyone who dares to criticise your flawed reasoning of conspiring against you? Why, if you are so concerned about getting the abortion limit down, did you pursue an amendment that might make it more likely that termination were delayed by banning BPAS and Marie Stopes from offering counselling? I think we should allow anyone who is BCAP *accredited* to offer counselling, but they should make clear who they are funded by, whether a charity that also performs abortions or by faith based or anti-abortion organisation. We women are intelligent, we can work it out. In my case, it was friends and family who I turned to - by the time I arranged my appointment at the clinic I knew that I had made the right decision for me and although I wish I had not ended up with an unwanted pregnancy, I don't regret my choice.
- Ange, Exeter, 11/9/2011 0:37Rating 5
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We must not confuse two issues. Nadine makes good points in her campaign and deserves to be lauded for her tireless work in that regard. On the other hand she needs to garner support and she will do that by desreving the high ground. Indignation and displaying a damaged ego are negative traits and they are overwhelming her key objective. To win support for her views. Nadine, you have to be prepared to play the game that is politics if you hope to be effective. Stop making this into an issue about you, you , you and how you are being humiliated and start making it about what it needs to be about. Your campaign.
- Alan, Woburn Sands, 11/9/2011 11:26Rating 5
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It's about time they were made to stop acting like animals in the house of commons. No wonder children think they can do what they like in class when they see supposedly intelligent, respectable adults acting a million times worse.
- J Hopkins, confusedland, 11/9/2011 9:56Rating 5
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You need thicker skin luv! PS I agree with your 'show who's boss' quip!
- Grey, London, 11/9/2011 9:32Rating 5
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That "non-answer" from Mr Cameron was a disgrace. It did him no favours at all. A fair question was laughed down, and Ms Dorries was made to look silly. UKIP for me in future.
- Stu, Stockport, 11/9/2011 9:20Rating 5
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What's that saying "if you can't stand the heat - get out of the kitchen" Grow up woman, you are not a child in a playground, you are an MP. You knew exactly what you were getting into when you signed up and humiliation , name calling, etc are all part of it. Stop winging and get on with it. There are more important people than you get "humiliated" on a daily basis - do you hear them complaining?
- Barbara, Bolton, Lancashire, 11/9/2011 7:59Rating 5
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That is exactly why we live in a democracy and not a theocracy where religious intolerence rules. The time limit has already been pushed down over the last few years and there are some people who would like to go back to the early 60s when it was completely illegal but we have progressed from that. If Ms Dorres is anti-abortion, then fine, that's her personal choice but don't get upset when you lose a debate in Parliament. The vast majority of women want full control over their own bodies and whether they have a baby or not but they do not want politicians to dictate to them. If a woman really wants an abortion, she will get one, hook or by crook - fact of life!
- Farmer Giles, Truro, Cornwall, 11/9/2011 9:51Rating 5
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I watched the incident in question and her humiliation is all in her mind and no doubt worth a bit of publicity. Cameron's faux pas was quite innocently done when he said that she was frustrated. He realised instantly what he had said, tied himself in knots trying to backtrack and in the end sat down. It was completely innocent and she has blown it all out of proportion. She's learning fast how to be a Labour MP!! Not averse to a bit of truth bending.
- Nancy, Norwich UK, 11/9/2011 9:42Rating 5
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Like I'm supposed to care when two Tory brats have a verbal spat?? Meanwhile the country burns and declines. How very Tory,....Eh?
- RUSSELL MORRISON, INVERNESS, 11/9/2011 11:59Rating 5
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This is not what she was saying when Jeremy Paxman interviewed her on Newsnight - quite the opposite, making very light of it, even though Jeremy was giving her every opportunity to vent her anger at David Cameron's comment and the subsequent outburst in the House of Commons.
- Hartley1, London, 11/9/2011 11:51Rating 5
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He did humiliate you but he is probably fed up with you as many of the public are. Whether your abortion bill had any merits, I don't know. Many of us are fed up with your type being in the House of Commons.
- Rupert, UK, 11/9/2011 12:43Rating 5
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OMG it was just a misplacement of words. Grow up woman!
- jenny, leicester, 11/9/2011 9:19Rating 5
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Oh for goodness sake Nadine! Methinks you protest a little too much and are in danger of making yourself a laughing stock. If you cant stand the heat you'd best keep out of the kitchen, politics is obviously the wrong profession for you.
- Dianne, Milton Keynes, UK, 11/9/2011 9:29Rating 5
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Good,you deserve it
- g brewis, sadly ashamed to be english, 11/9/2011 9:12Rating 5
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The PM publicly humiliated me in front of the entire nation, what did I do to deserve that? Become a politician!!!!!!!!!
- Christian Crusader, Mirambeau, France, 10/9/2011 23:33Rating 5
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The delicate soul, politics ain't flower arranging.
- tony, shrops, 11/9/2011 9:50Rating 5
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It's about time she got over it and grew up instead of carrying on whining and attention seeking like a schoolgirl. This is Parliament not a workplace protected by the PC brigade. If she doesn't like it find another job.
- Cliff, Southampton UK, 11/9/2011 9:42Rating 5
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Why not answer the points I made ? She happened to be Prime Minister and instigated a war, and then was responsible for sinking the Belgrano with no justification. Your answer simply resorts to childish insult. - James Danvers, London, 11/9/2011 12:12>>>>>I'm well aware of history, but as I made a comment referring to the world and you decided to narrow that into a discussion about one woman in one country, I really didn't think it worthy of a reply as it was irrelevant - and still is, however on the subject of Thatcher alone, I wholly disagree with the actions she and the rest of her party made on the issues you mention. As for childish insults, I take it you got A grade at GCSE?
- Lottie, Bristol, 11/9/2011 13:39Rating 5
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the damage was already done Nadine. Now you're just making it worse
- kv10, uk, 11/9/2011 11:42Rating 5
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Just `press on' Nadine, our -so called - leader, Cameron, is a silly schoolboy who is unable to fulfill any promise he has ever made!
- English Patriot, South Newington, Oxfordshire, 11/9/2011 8:54Rating 5
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The limit should remain at 24 weeks, giving time for the woman to consider carefully whether to bring yet another child into this overpopulated world. It also gives sufficient time to all the necessary tests should there be a danger of an inherited disease.
- Retired, Independent & living in Spain, Valencia, Spain, 11/9/2011 11:48Rating 4
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You are going to grow a much thicker skin if you want to succeed in politics. The PM did not insult you - it was an unfortunate mistake which you could easily have diffused by laughing along with it.
- Brandy & Coke, UK, 11/9/2011 9:11Rating 4
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He didn't mean anything by it..... GROW UP ! It's pathetic victim-hood like this. which is dragging this country back in the dark ages.
- Andy, Sussex, 11/9/2011 13:01Rating 4
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Calm down, dear. Nobody sensible takes any notice of what goes on or what is said in the Westminster day centre for delusional monomaniacs that you attend. All the important decisions are made in Washington, Brussels or the money markets.
- Brian, Coventry, England, 10/9/2011 23:32Rating 4
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Seeking publicity are you Nadine? I was watching Prime Minster's question time and it was obvious that David Cameron meant 'political' frustration but like anyone who has mixed up words he didn't get the 'political' word in before the word frustration. Suggest you grow up and become a big girl! It was a good laugh though.
- Barbara, Horsham, 11/9/2011 9:09Rating 4
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Its understandable she is upset about her amendment not getting through, but do not understand why she is taking it all out on Cameron to be honest. It is clear he apologised appropriately unlike the others or the labour lot it seems. It is very concerning that she describes the labour bench as almost frothing at the mouth concerning the subject. Why what is wrong with them? It should be at least allowed to be discussed as should all subjects. How can they represent the public if some subjects are out of bounds. That said she should really be more professional, and concentrate on how she can continue to make a positive difference.
- anon, uk, 11/9/2011 10:27Rating 4
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Like many female conservative MP's who have been promoted above their real talent, Nadine Dorris is a classical example of this breed. SInce becoming an MP she has embarked ona course of headline grabbing wich in her case has seriously backfired. WHy does she not just come out and admit that what she really wants to do is ban abortions and take us back to the 1950's. I say that she got what she deserved and I am sure that most right minded thinking women do not support this odious MP.
- Maxy, London, 11/9/2011 12:19Rating 4
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The big mistake people make about Cameron is that they think he is a toff and a gentleman. He is not : he is a common, ill-mannered yobbish little twerp.
- Richard Tracey, Dinan, France, 11/9/2011 9:43Rating 4
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If Cameron wanted to vote for new abortion curbs, he should have done so. He should have informed Nick Clegg to do his worse. If he can't stand up to a spent force like Clegg, He won’t be much use negotiating better terms with the EU. To reduce Nadine Dorries to a laughing stock is the act of a coward and a bully. A reals Gentleman wouldn't do it. It really is time for him to go! The Lib/Dems are revolting anyway.
- M C Elderly Gent, Bournemouth, 11/9/2011 9:29Rating 4
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get over youself you self opinionated Jobsworth.
- Mabel Thorpe, nr Skegness, Lincs, uk., 11/9/2011 9:13Rating 4
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While the whole subject of 'abortion' will allways be a thorny issue irrespective of political parties policies, this ammendment did deserve serious consideration and was not treated with the respect it deserved. M/s Dorries is absolutely right when she states that the Liberals represent 8.7% of this parliaments representatives yet dictate undue influence over every aspect of government policy and act as if they were the ruling party. David Cameron was right to apologise to M/s Dorries and whilst the reasons for the coalition are sound he does need to rein in the Liberals and let them know that whilst he will listen they do not have an automatic veto over every area of government policy. Voters are starting to see the petulance of the Liberals and whereas coalition politics should be a force for good it is fast becoming something of a comic sideshow. To stifle debate in this way is unworthy of any political party especially the Liberals!
- Jeremy Maynard, Chester - UK, 11/9/2011 7:52Rating 4
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AS usual, DM's headline is misleading and shallow considering the important aspect of the furore. As for the lady MP if she can't stand the heat she should get out of the kitchen! She really was rude to Cameron about asking who was boss. If she had wanted to be taken seriously she should have stood her ground. If you have a cause, that cause should come first and your own pathetic feelings about whatever should come second. The DM's headline could have been..Pro Abortion Labour hounds bayed drowning out whatshername so she couldn't be heard. Also it should be pointed out that whilst in Opposition this Labour Opposition has opposed every single action proposed by the Coalition whether or not it is in Britain's interests or those of it's citizens. Personally I can understand why 24 weeks is too far in and would accept that a shorter time is desirable but not all pregnancies are simply a case of being careless, there are other reasons e.g. medical, rape,age etc.etc.
- bea goody, sorry uk, 11/9/2011 8:24Rating 4
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I don't recall you campaigning for improvements to advice and availability of contraception, which is probably the most sensible way of reducing the number of abortions. When one compares our record on openness about sex, the quality and quantity of sex education in schools and the abortion rate, it is clear that our victorian prissiness about sex and sex education is directly linked to our high abortion rate. Anyone campaigning to reduce abortions, particularly if they are backed by an organisation which calls itself "Right to Know" should be arguing for the widest possible levels of knowledge and free availability of contraception (probably including the morning-after pill).
- Nick, Swanley, 11/9/2011 8:00Rating 4
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if you can't stand the heat ,get out of the kitchen
- bernard, alicante, 11/9/2011 7:50Rating 4
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If you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
- doug, fife, 11/9/2011 7:10Rating 4
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Ms. Dorries, your question about who's boss in the coalition needed to be asked. Clegg and the Lib-dems are swaggering around like a dog with two tails, while Cameron is like a man with a heavy weight attached to his leg, being blackmailed into allowing unpleasant bullies like Chris Huhne to inflict his pointless but ruinously expensive green policies on the whole country. As for the 'schoolboy laughter', well, I'm afraid that's parliament for you.
- Joe, Chiswick, West London, 11/9/2011 10:05Rating 4
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Says all we ever need to know about Dave.
- Michael, Belfast, 11/9/2011 0:28Rating 4
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No the Prime Minister did not. Nadine Dorries and the press took part of a sentence, turned it into a sexual inuendo and is now milking it for all it is worth!!!!
- Harold, Cornwall, 10/9/2011 23:40Rating 4
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because the woman is a joke. spend your timeas an MP doing something useful not trying to lose a woman's right to choose!
- gaynor, london, 11/9/2011 9:32Rating 4
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She is a figure of ridicule and contempt and is just one of many who should at least have been knicked out over her expense claims, if not arrested and charged with fraud. It's not too late for her to fall on her sword.
- alan, warks. UK, 11/9/2011 8:28Rating 4
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When will MP's see the light, not everybody in the country is sat at home watching PMQ I for one didn't see it but I now know about it thanks to this interveiw. Grow a back bone.
- DUTCH, MANCHESTER, 11/9/2011 11:57Rating 4
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Oh grow up Nadine. If you can't handle the cut and thrust of politics, get out of it. It seems like you really just want to be anti abortion fundraiser and campaigner anyway.
- Cathi , York, UK, 11/9/2011 8:22Rating 4
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Toughen up. If you can't stand the heat...
- Mark Norton, MCR, UK, 10/9/2011 23:37Rating 4
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I think David Cameron completely put Nadine Dorries in her place. She has been a terrible attention seeker for some time and with this article you are giving her more publicity, which she desires. I'm glad her arbortion amendment was not passed, it would have made the UK like the US, where you cannot have a civil debate about the subject. I would like Ms. Dorries to advise which far right Pro-Life organisation has been bankrolling her campaign? She might be playing the victim here, but lets be clear, she is the protagonist of this whole affair.
- James, London, 11/9/2011 8:27Rating 4
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I agree that the Prime Minister handled the situation very badly. However, when Ms. Dorries was asked about her treatment on Newsnight, she did not feel she was disabused by Mr. Cameron. Is she now milking it to garner support?!
- mark ryan, dublin , 11/9/2011 11:19Rating 4
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It would not be the first time that members of the house of commons have acted as every one perceives them to be. A load of childish, ignorant, self opinionated dick heads.
- ron styles, yorkshire, 11/9/2011 9:10Rating 4
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That's politics for you Ms Dorres. If you can't take the disappointment get yourself a much less high profile job. Incidentally, you weren't humiliated, and certainly not in front if the entire nation - it might have improved the story if it was true, but it patently isn't.
- Giddy Aunt, UK, 11/9/2011 8:15Rating 4
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I wouldn't have forgiven him. That is the second time he has humiliated a woman in parliament. I think he has problems with women MPs and if I were them I would give as good as I got right back at him. - Margaret, Alva, Scotland, 11/9/2011 03:27 //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// What was the first time and was it a similar issue?
- Brass Tacks, London, 11/9/2011 10:06Rating 4
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I have never heard of her before, but she clearly has a very high opinion of herself, seems her ego far outweighs her abilities.
- James 001, West of Nowhere, 11/9/2011 7:04Rating 4
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The Prime Minister didn't deliberately humiliate you Nadine, get a life. He's a fool and can't think properly and talk at the same time, you must have noticed this little fault by now
- mick blair, thailand, 11/9/2011 1:35Rating 4
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Is this woman for real ?!?, oh boooo hoooooo that she was slapped down. She knows EXACTLY what kind of job she has, she knows how people behave and react. She knows that politics is all about horse trading and, you have to be ale to take the knocks. HOW DARE SHE whine and moan because David Cameron did not play 'big brother'. She should have been able to stand up and fire right back, This is how it all works and she knows it. If she cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen. What she has done is ruin the reputation of the bill she was trying to bring forward with her mamby pamby action. If you want to see anger and frustration then you should see me right now. Get a real job woman whereyou dont have to put yourself in the front line so much.
- Susan, London, 11/9/2011 11:59Rating 4
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It shows the calibre of these men that they find abortion something to snigger and laugh about. They fall about laughing like naughty boys behind the bike shed.
- KitKat, UK, 11/9/2011 7:05Rating 4
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"Are we proud of having the highest number of abortions in Western Europe?" No, but equally its nothing to be ashamed of.
- James, West midlands, 11/9/2011 9:04Rating 4
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'The entire Nation' - not sure how many people you think watch the farce which is PMQs every week? If you are having a sense of humour failure Ms Dorries, then I suggest you join the Opposition. Plenty of ladies there who take themselves far too seriously and wouldn't know a joke if it bit them on the bottom!
- lizzie, Leeds, 11/9/2011 11:33Rating 4
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Ah, she's after money now!
- An Englishwoman, Newcastle UK, 11/9/2011 11:55Rating 4
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It is not a freedom to behave in a mysoginistic way, being in the house of commons, they are supposed to show respect. Why does he do this to women? If he is using it as some sort of lame attempt to duck the question, is he just ignorant? Anyway it is a disgrace and he quite simply isn't up to the job. People shouldn't be surprised though because he has shown himself quite ready to renage on pledges and keep dodgy company. What with taking bribes, oh sorry donations from developers to doing the bidding of the gutter press to gain power this man is shown as a wrong un. Yes I know Blair was as well but he had to go and anyway two wrongs uns don't make a right un.
- Marie, Lancs, 11/9/2011 11:51Rating 4
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It's a shame she felt humuliated. But our Members of Parliament should be strong enough to stand for their constituents in what everyone knows is an unattractively male and sexist Place - the House of Commons. It's pathetic that she stormed out; giving male MPs yet more reasons to deride women in the House. And Ms Dorriees says the changed/increased counselling would not delay any subsequent abortion; of course it would! Where are all these counsellors, are they immediately available for all the thousands of women who would need their services? She is a poor representative of women, or her constituents, at so many levels.
- susannah2b, fleet, england, 11/9/2011 9:58Rating 4
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Pathetic argument woman, grow up... House of Lords: Somewhere for people to draw money while they sleep. House of Commons: Somewhere for idiots to display petulance and gaffaw gaffaw at tax payers expense... Bottom line: Both cost a fortune to run and yet achieve the square root of nothing....
- True Blue, Glorious Govan, Glasgow, 11/9/2011 9:54Rating 4
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This type of behaviour should not be allowed the Prime Minister should apologise publically!
- LennyBow, a land far far away..., 11/9/2011 16:05Rating 3
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My mother was right: never trust a man who dyes his hair.
- Mick, Ruislip, Middlesex, 11/9/2011 9:03Rating 3
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Abortion is a serious issue, and the "pro-life" cause deserves a better champion than this batty religious fundamentalist.
- MC Miker G, Folkestone, 11/9/2011 11:09Rating 3
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Hey hey. You voted for a boy. He can't do a man's job. When DC gets flustered he turns into Flashman. No one should be humiliated this way, it would be so easy to argue the point, why did he resort to humiliation??
- Don Smith, Harrow, 11/9/2011 16:38Rating 3
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Well what else di you expect from Cameron
- Alan Hammond, Egham Surrey, 11/9/2011 9:58Rating 3
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It's not about wether she was right or wrong it's about the the way she was treated.it is beginning to appear that the only thing that dodgy dave is any good at is sarcasm,and as a supposedly conservative leader it thats not much of a testamonial
- alan, essex, 11/9/2011 9:57Rating 3
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I used to think that 'democracy' meant a deep respect for people having different opinions, a desire to hear different opinions and then find the best possible solution to problems, as in ancient times. Just imagine if this is what happened in our world. The best possible solution to problems were implemented without all this needless mostly male posturing. Unfortunately, childish party politics, vote-rigging & vote-buying get in the way. Our 'democracy' is actually shackled by our political system, itself undermined by the secret societies that truly rule. The politicians frothing at the mouth have lost all respectability and should be forced out at the earliest moment. The Labour Party still believes that it alone has the 'right to rule' (isn't that exactly what they accuse their opponents of?) and someone needs to explain to them, once and for all, that they LOST the last election despite all their despicable election-rigging tactics to secure another win and decide the vote.
- Cradle of demcracy?, More like the old USSR, UK, 11/9/2011 9:56Rating 3
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If we don't get rid of him sooner rather than later, our vile, oily, self-serving PM will humiliate the entire nation, not just you Nadine.
- Gomez, Reading, UK, 11/9/2011 9:10Rating 3
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Shameful behaviour from someone who is supposed to have the gravitas to be Prime Minister of this country. But if you didn't realise a Government formed of old Etonians would be sexist dinasosaurs - where have you been all your life. Cross the floor these people aren't fit to have your support.
- Geraldine Mitchell, London, 11/9/2011 7:26Rating 3
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Firstly, the age for abortion is about right just as it is- Johnny Johnson, Really? The fact is babies are born under the legal limit for abortion and survive and lead a healthy life. Check out the numerous videos on abortion to see exactly what it involves. On the PMQ issue, I don't think Cameron planned to say what he did to humiliate her, it was the laughter around him that put him off track. The laughter came from Labour as well.
- James, Bristol, 11/9/2011 10:27Rating 3
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Ms Dorries needs to understand that she is not the protector of society - the society that she can act as judge and jury on. Unfortunately Ms Dories seems to think that the issue is one of abortion not pregnancy... I'm sorry to inform Ms Dorries if the girls/women can be prevented from conceiving in the first place or when mistakes happen (any the do happen) then the morning after pill would help immensely. Too many women find that the pregnancy happens and then they change their minds, especially when the "father" decides he wants nothing to do with it, so Ms dories would have another unwanted baby brought into a would, possibly ending in poverty. If the drive is their to reduce it to 20 weeks then do it... just stop making a noise for yourself with such an awful problem for society.
- Eric, Uxbridge, UK, 11/9/2011 10:16Rating 3
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Grow up, you're an MP so develop some thick skin!
- Ed, UK, 11/9/2011 9:38Rating 3
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Yes, indeed. Nadine Dorries was shabbily treated. First receiving support by Cameron then, following blackmail by Clegg, the withdrawal of support and public humiliation in the Commons. This is, I'm afraid, typical of DC. I cannot but reflect how Ian Duncan-Smith would have dealt with this - with dignity and caring. At the dispatch-box, his approach would have been diametrically opposite to the ghastly smutty schoolboy attitude of Cameron.
- MartinW, Southport, 11/9/2011 8:35Rating 3
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She does need to toughen up, but that said, Cameron should have not have left her dangling like that, bad form Dave, behave like a leader.
- L Lawliet, UK, 11/9/2011 10:52Rating 3
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what do you expect from this bunch of chinless, braying donkeys?
- pat, herts, 11/9/2011 10:12Rating 3
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what a dreadful person..talk about over full of your own importance,
- Geoff, Manchester, 11/9/2011 0:12Rating 3
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The laws on abortion are routinely ignored. I was NEVER offered couselling of ANY sort and only saw 1 Doctor, my GP.
- kellze, Townsville, Australia, 11/9/2011 4:23Rating 3
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Nadine, the PM might have humiliated you, but many decent people in this country, and even abroad, have lifted you up in their thinking. You did the right thing and you have started something, which will make history in the political life of this nation. Many great things have been started from humiliation and yours is not the worst one. Take courage and keep up the good work!
- Alex Spak, London, UK, 10/9/2011 23:38Rating 3
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I watched the PMQs and the comment was not intended to be sexist. Nadine, if you can't stand the heat get back in the kitchen.
- R Thomson, Kirkcudbright, Scotland, 11/9/2011 0:02Rating 3
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What a Gent Flashman is. After insulting Mad Nad he then apologises by Text. Or was the text sent by one of his minions? Having lost the Student Vote Cameron seems hellbent on losing the female vote. Those Boundary Changes must be really helpful to get him re-elected.
- Fred Farrell, Bromley England, 11/9/2011 7:45Rating 3
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I cannot understand the problem why is it even debated I would have thought that due to the seriousness of a woman needing information & advice totally independent help would be available. As for David Cameron response he acted like a sniggering school boy, who would believe he is the Prime Minister!! if you watch P Ministers Questions you will notice that instead of answering some of the questions put to him he will either make a joke of it or try to make the questioner appear stupid. Take another look at the above photograph of Cameron, Young , Clegg As they say -- A Photograph Speaks A Thousand Words!!!
- Helen, Wales, 11/9/2011 1:08Rating 3
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This is what happens when an inexperienced boy is given a man's job!
- The Wizard, Oz, 11/9/2011 6:19Rating 3
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You did nothing to warrant the stupid childish 6th form behavior of Cameron and his equaly crass supporters. The idiotic baying and chortling of the people who profess to represent the people of this country only gives support to the increasingly popular belief that we need a general election as soon as possible. When that occurs we must all pray that the electorare takes a very carefull look at what is being put up as their representave MP. Cameron will apologise for anything believing that it is all that he has to do to make people forget his behavior. Such is the immature and unsavory nature of the man
- David R Birt, Partney. Lincs, 11/9/2011 7:08Rating 3
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Well..you wanted equality.. this is not about 'your' cause, this is about the fact that 'you' seemed unable to 'banter' back.. stop doing the sexist thing..boring..and yes it has raised 'your' profile.. maybe thats what you wanted more.. Cannot abide women, who moan about equal rights, then do not have the guts to respond..just go straight to the papers.. He did not make you a laughing stock, did that on your own..
- doreen, bedfordshire, 11/9/2011 12:12Rating 3
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it's not like kids scrapping in the playground. - Denise, Cambridge, 11/9/2011 8:42>>>>>Really? From where I've sat watching PMQ and local council meetings, it's exactly like that - and that is where the root problems lie!
- Lottie, Bristol, 11/9/2011 10:29Rating 3
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Cameron's remark showed exactly the kind of 'man' he is, and why he did not win the election, and why despite his immense wealth and Etonian education, he could not get a real job outside politics - he wa a PR man for Carlton TV, which no longer exists.
- D Short, Tuni, 11/9/2011 10:51Rating 3
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Nadine asked a daft, baiting question that there was no answer to other than the usual explanation of this being a government working in partnership. It was simply a childish way of stamping her feet and squealing at the PM. Its no surprise the house laughed at her, I would laugh at her too. She can comfort herself with this secret, texted apology that no one else sees or cares about or thinks is necessary but the fact is she lost, she's a laughing stock up and down the country and has been for a long time.
- Allie M, scotland, 10/9/2011 23:34Rating 3
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Cameron is nothing but an overprivileged, spineless, public school bully. This disgusting performance by a man who is supposed to be our Prime Minister will probably cost him the next election and hopefully his position as "leader" of the Conservative party. In five minutes he has undone all the work to show the Conservatives are not the nasty party people believe them to be.
- Simon, Essex, 11/9/2011 9:43Rating 3
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Whilst I disagree with Ms Dorries campaign, I was appalled at this old boys club bullying. It was toe-curlingly embarrassing to watch.
- Kate, York, UK, 11/9/2011 10:09Rating 3
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An extremely important subject for sure. That said, MPs are supposed to air their greivances via the Speaker not the Media. This article even takes about 3 scroll downs before we know which MP we are talking about! Nadine Dorries, whoever she is???
- Andy, Derby, UK, 11/9/2011 9:25Rating 3
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this issue was a distraction from the vote to privatise the nhs
- Ragan Bones english democrats(not edl,yet) ukip fu eu, berkhamsted, 10/9/2011 23:34Rating 3
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Oh Nadine, the Lib Dems got a lot more than 8% of the vote. Whether you like them or not, they should have around 25% of MPs. No taxation without representation. Equally it is absurd to say they dictate anything in a Parliament where 93% of the MPs would agree anything they like. If you don't like a coalition with the Lib Dems either - put Labour in power or form a coalition with someone else. PS your views on abortion are in a minority, that why you can't get support, whether there were 600 Lib Dems in Parliament or 6.
- Tom, Aldershot,UK, 11/9/2011 6:54Rating 3
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Perhaps if you had employed a little of your Scouse humour and laughed along with the rest of the House at what was clearly a silly but funny faux-pas, they would have piped down and you would have been able to continue with your speech and get your point across, but your whole demeanour was aggressive, high-handed and confrontational and you dug your own grave by taking it all so badly. Your cause is honourable but a little humour would make people warm to you rather than seeing you as a humourless feminist flag-waver.
- Dee, London, 10/9/2011 23:28Rating 3
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Funny thing is I have never heard of her or seen her before. So what does that say about her.
- Jessand, Putters England, 10/9/2011 23:58Rating 3
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Lib Dems may only make up 8.7% of the MPs but they had 24% of the vote at the last election. This isn't me saying we need to change the voting system, it's just a reminder of what happened and that silly woman needs to realise this.
- Paul, Cardiff, 11/9/2011 11:42Rating 3
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Keep going Nadine. You are giving voice to the voiceless. I respect your work on this issue. The people that laughed during PMQT are cretins.
- Bess, expatland, 11/9/2011 15:10Rating 3
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".....the House of Commons has, over the last decade at least, degenerated into a public school common room and perhaps that is because the bulk of the people who sit in that place are public school louts ....." ----- Wrong. 35% of all MPs went to public schools, while 9 out of 10 did go to university. (Sutton Trust). This means that 65% went to state schools. Kenneth of East Anglia, you sound like a rabid Socialist who likes to stir up trouble, with no regard to the truth.However, I do agree with Nadine Dorries on one thing: the Lib-Dems are far too big for their boots. Mr Cameron, you are boss of the bigger party by far. Do something about it.
- Rosemary, London, England, 11/9/2011 13:01Rating 3
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I agree he should have not allowed the humiliation; I agree with your stance on abortion advice; here's some advice: 1. Stand your ground - you need courage of a sort as an M.P.. 2. You shouldn't have left the chamber. 3. Complain to the parliamentary authorities, not whinge in a newspaper. 4. You should have sent back a text message telling Cameron what a poor excuse of a leader/man he is -see number 1. Failing that - and if you can't come up with a few witty ripostes to throw at the juveniles in the playground that is the House of Commons - change career.
- A.Nixon, London., 11/9/2011 9:54Rating 3
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You clearly cannot stand the heat and should not be in the kitchen. And i am a lifetime tory who believes the abortion limit should be lowered. And i believe in the right to chose.
- Trevor, Wallingford, 11/9/2011 12:48Rating 3
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Get over yourself you stupid woman and perhaps next time you'll think twice before getting our long fought for abortion laws changed so you and the rest of your bible bashers can sleep a bit easier at night.
- Coffee Rider, Exeter, England, 11/9/2011 16:06Rating 3
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I would be frustrated also if I had to work with a bunch of un-accountable idiots with a possible sexist thinking . But then at last you know what the oublic feel about them, Abortion is a delicate issue and the house should have give it the respect it deserves .
- Derek , Dorset, 11/9/2011 10:13Rating 2
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The truly vile protagonists in this ugly squalid little debate are LABOUR: these lickspittles seek to curry favour with the feminist leftists among them, their wives and colleagues, and to hell with principle, honour or integrity. A cowardly, hypocritical bunch of child murderers who not only revel in their crimes but celebrate their support for such atrocities. I will never, never this side of Hell, ever vote for Labour again.
- John, Halton, 11/9/2011 12:39Rating 2
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People who put down others in public usually do so to cover their own inadequacies, and boy does David Cameron have plenty to cover up. Since coming to office he has shown himself to be all mouth and trousers and totally spineless. The number of issues currently dogging this country have been left to carry on unabated. Promised action to rectify this countries ills of which there are many have been so watered down to be totally ineffective. DC, step down and let someone who has balls take over. We desparately need someone who can standup to the EU and more urgently, put Clegg and his crowd of misfits firmly in place.
- Necromancer, Paisley, Scotland, 11/9/2011 10:59Rating 2
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Another nail in Clegg's coffin.After the next general election this treacherous would be politician will be history
- BMOORE, Coventry, 11/9/2011 9:21Rating 2
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hear hear - at least someone who has a mind of her own. Certain she won' t ever get a ministerial job offered, but at least she can look in the mirror in the morning.
- mark, spain, 11/9/2011 5:56Rating 2
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The PM made a simple mistake as he spoke and when trying to correct himself the play school that is the common collectively embarrassed her. She first smiled when the PM made his slip up, but as the kids started to jeer she then got more 'frustrated' and walked out. I guess she is one we will never see on the front bench unless she now crosses sides. Who would trust someone selective with the trust over such a trivial matter?
- Lloyd, Essex, 11/9/2011 0:12Rating 2
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This is certainly giving her cause publicity. I suspect that is why she is appearing to be so affronted. I agree with the comment saying that the photograph doesn’t portray World Leaders.
- stan, England, 11/9/2011 10:28Rating 2
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He's humiliating the country, along with the British people: the Clown is taking us for a ride and we won't jump off! I DETEST him.
- Heather, Sea Breeze, 11/9/2011 16:36Rating 2
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Disgusting, pre-historic behaviour from Cameron & his back slappers. Regardless what the issue was being discussed, this sexist and totally unacceptable behaviour towards a professional woman should not be allowed. Speaks volumes of the type of government we have. Crass & don't deserve to be in power.
- s5macky, seaside, somewhere, 11/9/2011 16:35Rating 2
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In answer to your question - your plans are being influenced by the Lib Dems because you didn't win the election. I think that seems simple enough.
- Thomas, Oxford, UK, 11/9/2011 10:29Rating 2
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Hmmm. She is an MP....... She is being treated the same as a Man in debate. You cannot have it bothways... Woman MPs should be given no quarter and treated soft.. Male MPs get treated rough whats the problem.. - Mike, West Midlands, 11/9/2011 10:16____ And when do you see men humiliating each other in the Commons with *sexual* comments? I agree she should be treated the same as men - that means with more dignity. Men don't make sexist comments to other men.
- Carbonel, London, 11/9/2011 14:22Rating 2
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Football managers pick their players on ability. Blair and Cameron were selected on looks and ability to make smart speeches. 'Squeaky voice' Beckham and ugly Drougba were selected on ability. See the difference? Don't blame Cameron who is out of his depth, change the way you vote. Toto Kubwa, Cyprus, 11/9/2011 16:39 "ugly Drougba" and your comparison to football managers just embarrasses real expats in Cyprus! If you feel so much on every article from the UK in the Mail, why do you not go back to the UK, pay taxes and then you can complain! You truly are the type that ruins the lives of people that have worked hard to become ex-pats! Take your prejudices and leave with them!
- Pete H, Oriklini Cyprus and looking forward to meeting Toto here!, 11/9/2011 16:40Rating 2
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Nadine Dorries, if you are not already a Eurosceptic, make sure you become one, and work away at deposing Cameron. Don't get angry, get revenge!
- Disillusioned (ex Tory voter), Middle England., 11/9/2011 9:31Rating 2
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What supercilious, trite comments - all those 'if you can't stand the heat's. It doesn't matter if I think Nadine Dorries was quite wrong in what she was proposing; what is undeniably true is that Cameron acts as if he is still in his boys' only public school, with his public school chums Osborne and Clegg cheering on his teenage pranks. He has not grown up: he does not know how to behave. He operates within a smarmy, male-centred universe where the rich boys know best, and have their little snidey remarks ready for any woman who dares to intrude in their petty little world. It is sick to think, in 2011, that we are still controlled by Bullingdon Boys.
- Pete, Macclesfield, 11/9/2011 16:28Rating 2
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Folks, two non-entities having a pop at each other, lets move on from these self - serving idiots...(!)
- alan, beverley, east yorks, 11/9/2011 14:12Rating 2
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I think the important question that she asked is why would MPs be determined not to offer advice that is independent? I know that Marie Sopes recieves millions of NHS money per year to provide abortions, so it is hardly going to be unbiased. We need a truly independent body, one that is completely untainted by the money it recieves and gives information that is entirely honest. It should provide all the facts of how to raise a child, should the patient choose not to proceed with an abortion, and it should be honest about the procedure if she does. The patient is making the most crucial decision of her life and deserves to receive the fullest care. Motherhood can be rewarding, but not always a bed a roses. Abortion is convenient but not without it's dangers and repercussions. This is too important an issue to leave to people with invested interests and if women have the right to choose (which I fully support) they should have ALL the information to help them make their decision.
- Karen, Stoke England, 11/9/2011 7:43Rating 2
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and of course it couldn't possibly have been a nice little pre-meditated act to get round the controversy could it. The way he paused waiting for the reaction of laughter - how jolly amusing - such an important issue but, of course she has such a lot of respect for him. I think it was well planned by the pair of them.
- vickiverki, york, 11/9/2011 11:39Rating 2
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Once again Cameron discards credibility and earns disgust. The best thing he said was "I give up". Hopefully he will fulfil this promise, resign, and we can vote for a proper government that doesn't include the Ant and Dec of politics.
- Pete, Sheffield, Yorkshire, 11/9/2011 10:43Rating 2
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Crikey! Who says the Internet is not such a great invention. Just with the click of a mouse, all Pro-abortionists have converged on this site to gang up against Nadine. I even suspect multiple comments from same people. That aside, in 1993, I saw tiny 24 week baby in an incubator in a south London hospital; I'd thought "What a hopeless case". Today, that same child is big thriving teenager and getting ready to enter Uni next year. Since seeing is believing, could Nadine please let me know how to help with fundraising.
- Emeka, Holidaying in Marmaris, 11/9/2011 15:12Rating 2
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you were not in the wrong, they were, you should have said something snide to them as well, stupid childish mob trying to denigrate you. So sexist it doesn't bear thinking about. They should be ashamed of themselves. Aside from all that men should not be making decisions about womens issues and should show respect for the seriousness of them. And -by the way I agree with you 24 weeks is preposterous.
- gillmahoney, Italy, 11/9/2011 12:03Rating 2
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I can't see a problem with independent counselling at all, preferable to a vested interest. And if it annoys Labour MPs as well, what a bonus! Go Nadine!!!
- Dr Sheldon Cooper, tvland, 11/9/2011 8:04Rating 2
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Nadine.....good on you for trying to raise a decent humane point, Your daughter is rigth to be proud of you. The response you got was just a measure of how low we have sunk in standards.
- cynic, wigan, 11/9/2011 11:25Rating 2
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Abortion is a personal subject and up to the individual who decides to abort a baby. In most cases, the woman has made up her mind to go through with it and as soon as she can in order to lesson the trauma and to avoid seeing the changes in her body. I think the subject matter is more important than the fact these two are behaving like children. As for Cameron, wasn't he the one who said riots were caused by ferals and told us all how awful they were (as if we didn't know that)? I think I am correct in saying alongside, Johnson and Osbourne, they caused no amount of damage at Eton, when students, much like a riot? Hypocrits just with privilages....whose muck dosen't stink or stick!
- Common as muck and twice and daft, Essex, who remembers England as it used to be!, 11/9/2011 16:52Rating 2
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The guy's a jackass. The only way he could deal with you was to make fun. Are you sure you're cut out for politics, it's the last place to be for any-one with moral standards?
- John Salkeld, Sheffield, England, 11/9/2011 11:21Rating 2
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Whether or not one agrees or disagrees about abortion, the fact remains that Cameron did not take this MP seriously, he treated her & her question with contempt. The sight of N. Clegg & the other ministers sniggering about such a cheap jibe, over such a serious subject, just goes to show why they are all so hated and despised. Mr. Cameron in that one sentence has proved without doubt that he is not a statesman, & does not deserve to be Prime Minister.
- Madge Blair, Cahors France, 11/9/2011 17:29Rating 2
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If you can't stand the heat get out of the Commons. Everyone today is just so so sensitive. I am just surprised she didn't say she was offended,everyone else seems to be these days by something or other. Stop being so touchy.
- gparker, auckland new zealand, 11/9/2011 2:43Rating 2
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She is quite correct - he did !! But she should not be surprised really because underneath the front everybody knows that he is a privelaged male chauvenistic pig...
- MrAngry, SW UK, 11/9/2011 7:19Rating 2
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If she feels so strongly about this subject, which I agree she should; why is she using it as a poor me story ? The only poor victims in this, are the aborted children. She's just trying to grab a headline, as she always does. For someone who came from a council house in Liverpool, she should be ashamed of admitting she's a Tory. I notice in the end she was doing the suck up to Dave line." I like a PM who has humility!!" All forgiven then after all that spouting off.
- hardup, uk, 11/9/2011 10:46Rating 2
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I do not agree with the views of this lady regarding abortion. I would suggest that the reaction of Mr Cameron, and many more, should cause some concern. Had the lady replied along the lines that 'she may be frustrated but she doubted Dave could satisfy her due to his evident lack of abitltiy and equipment' I have no doubt many of your contributors that say she is making a fuss and would call her offensive. It would have been interesting to see if Dave can take it so readily as he likes to give it? Perhaps he thought he was at a Bullingdon club meeing? I repeat I do not agree at all with her views on abortion.
- Mike, Dorchester Dorset, 11/9/2011 10:12Rating 2
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Mwahahaha go to USA they welcome biblebashers who like to dictate to women on how they should treat their bodies! We don't! Go away! - Scarlett, Sheffield, 11/9/2011 6:20.----------- Yes, except we're not talking about your bodies, are we, but the bodies of other human beings...You decide to get pregnant, then you take the consequences.
- Martin, Horsham, 11/9/2011 9:35Rating 2
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Hell hath no fury greater than........... she need to grow up and move on; she's had her say and lost the argument, Moses
- Moses Obongu, Lagos, Nigeria, 11/9/2011 9:09Rating 2
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When I was young we used to call this having a laugh? A slip up that is all it was, It was then forgotten about. Now everything is made into a big bad thing. I smiled at the time but no way though of Nadine Dorries as being humiliated.
- J Hills, Hampshire, 11/9/2011 4:35Rating 2
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I thought the treatment of Nadine Dorries absolutely appalling. Led by the PM & DPM, those MPs laughing loudly at her were like a bunch of posh public school boys behaving condascendingly. Abortion is a very serious matter and Ms Dorries took a very couragious stand in seeking to open up independent counselling for such women so that they give serious consideration to something that will affect them for the rest of their lives. Cameron previously declared he supported this amendment. If Clegg and the Lib Dems didn't like it, he should be call their bluff. They have nowhere to go if they walk out, so it's their loss. Abortion is one of several issues where if you dare raise your head above the parapet and question the current orthodoxy, even just to make a few changes here and there, the lynch mob will mercilessly hunt you down - the lynch mob being the so-called liberal intelligentsia.
- Mark Gollop, Poole, Dorset, 11/9/2011 12:07Rating 2
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The truth Ms Dorries is that the question you raised at PMQ's was an important one which was of intrest too a great many people in this country. Now on the assumption you have to give the question you are going to ask the PM at PMQ's to his office in advance i say and think the following:- The reply was done in a calculated way so as to undermine you very publicly, certain very trusted mp's were briefed to start the cheering etc,etc. The PM's texted to say sorry, well if he had stood up in the commons to do it then maybe he would break with parlimentry tradition and speak the truth, i don't think so. To many times in parliment important questions are treated with contempt by PM's in debates.
- comfortably numb, cambridge, 11/9/2011 9:00Rating 2
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Nine, don't be so naive, Cameron knew exactly what he was doing and saying. His humiliation of you was deliberate and coldly calculated. He chose to "give up".
- Keith, Manchester, 11/9/2011 1:04Rating 2
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I am pro abortion - they should be given swiftly and with no fuss - but EARLY. " 24 weeks is WAY too late. That's what it should be about, not counseling. (And I am certainly not a conservative.) That said, the parliament's treatment of this lady was immature and ridiculous, regardless of whether you agree with Nadine D. or not. I would not forgive him either, but in politics you have to move on even though your opponent shows neither leadership nor respect. I now have Cameron down as a weakling.
- saon, sweden, 11/9/2011 10:19Rating 2
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I fully agree with offering counselling to women considering abortion as many are traumatised in the years after an abortion when they become fully aware that they have ended the life of their child.
- Karen, Northern Ireland, 11/9/2011 8:43Rating 2
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David Cameron hasn't a clue what women go through after an abortion and a bit of advice beforehand might convince them not to go through with it or at least offer them some comfort if they do. 24 Weeks is 6 months, which is a viable foetus. Many a baby born at this age has survived the birth. He is just another man who is swept along by the opinions and mistaken humour of his cronies. How many women were eligible to vote? He did not consider the issue at stake for WOMEN, most of whom in this predicament would be single mothers desperately needing solace, only the immediate gratification of the so amused men in the house. Of course the present law suits men perfectly. Why else would this perfectly logical piece of legislation be treated with such disdain.
- Agnes, Pietermaritzburg South Africa, 11/9/2011 8:05Rating 2
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A real faux pas on the part of the prime minister. My son told me about it when I got home from work. My respect for Cameron has fallen about a thousand per cent because of this. If he can't take the issues that matter to people seriously, then he should go, along with the rest of the laughing hyenas in the background.
- catherine, bristol, 11/9/2011 7:05Rating 2
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Well done for trying Nadine. The irrational school boyish behaviour that followed your attempts to ensure independent counselling is offered to women with unplanned pregnancies is unfortunately so typical of pro abortionists. Your colleagues with the bullying irrationality, made themselves look very bad. In my experience people behave so badly when they know they are in the wrong. They cannot use logic so support their position so they bully everyone else into agreeing with them and Into joining them in maligning anyone who dares to disagree. They are helping speed forward the day when women considering abortions will have the opportunity to talk to independent counsellors. Therefore, bid your time; your day is just round the corner.
- Dee, London, 11/9/2011 8:12Rating 2
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this whole debacle shows just who is and have been running this country for years... the liberals.... cameron is a spineless, gutless soft wet liberal ..... he publicly humiliated a member of his own party, who has a genuine passion about a very important subject. Instead of having the guts to bring the house to order and apologise he falls into his chair laughing with all the other ignorant idiots who lead this country. Worse still is he doesn't even have the backbone to apologise face to face or even by telephone and does it by text.... it wouldn't surprise me if the text was sent by one of his lackies.... useless idiot.... Nadine Dorries ..... i respect your strength and composure during this incident.... i trust you will continue in politics but perhaps review which party and leader you follow....
- hmh, london, 11/9/2011 7:57Rating 2
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Calm down dear! Get over it, I am sure the PM did not mean to be disrespectful, it is only a word, one of many in the English language.
- Gordon, Grantham, 11/9/2011 9:57Rating 2
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It may be difficult but dont let this little nonentity of a man bother you ,he knew exactly what he was about and it says a barrel load about him as a person .He will be gone in no time ! .
- Jack, Glasgow, 11/9/2011 15:45Rating 1
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Nadine you cannot act like a female if you are in politics. Get on with what you believe in and forget Cameron who only makes himself small when he has to act immature to win an argument. As for Slimey Clegg you have to realise that he will slither around doing his worst for this country and therefore you have to be strong and stand against what I class to be a traitor to our country.
- Pam, West Yorkshire, 11/9/2011 11:26Rating 1
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I watched PMQ time and indeed saw the incident but I feel it has been blown out of proportion. The question was as stated in the story namely Lib Dems are the junior party in the coalition and Cameron should remind Clegg who is the boss. Fair enough. Indeed there was an uproar as Cameron talked of her being frustrated and in the uproar Cameron never answered her question and said 'he gave up' on an answer. The DM story gives a background concerning the abortion bill but in isolation the general public would not know why the hon lady was frustrated. However she did make a very good statement and deserved an answer but still the general public would not associate any answer with her abortion bill. Come back again with the question next week.
- welshperson, Barmouth Wales, 11/9/2011 6:50Rating 1
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MY GOD , MS. Dorries , a very well and good meaning try but as absolutely typical of all of you , from wherever you all hail from , you do nothing to prevent the problem but merely come up with rather useless and hugely expensive ideas that are NOT solutions . Furthermore the weak feeble attitude presented to these situations , of moaning and whining in the press , do not inspire . I am sorry that you are so oversensitive , but only tough government achieves . . . . . . not u - turns , not snivelling and not pandering to retain popular vote. The day determined and excersised leadership is returned to this country the better it will be . Are you ALL in the wrong job ???
- LARA, LONDON UK, 11/9/2011 5:34Rating 1
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I do hope the apology was genuine and not damage limitation. Why do we have yet another public schoolboy running the country anyway? Oh yes, they are from the higher stratas of society, and are born to it. There's no smoke without fire and his comments came from somewhere inside him that actually holds those beliefs. As for abortion, its such a complex issue that I think the deciding factors should be humanity and scientific knowledge. At what point in the womb, is an unborn human an equal human being to the woman carrying it? I'd say 11/12 wks when it becomes a fully formed foetus with sensory awareness. After then, no abortions for convenience. However this can be outweighed if the woman is pregnant by a violent spouse or by rape, or if she is mentally ill. But that should be only a 4 wk window, running to 16 wks. Beyond that, abortion only where the baby is suffering in the womb from untreatable abnormalities, or where the mother will die if pregnancy continues.
- jane, york, 11/9/2011 11:17Rating 1
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Poor woman, the PM came across so immature and school-boy-ish...... I'm glad that whilst the nation is suffering cuts, job-losses , making ends meet.....he is getting paid to have a laugh with his upper-tosh MP buddies when is meant to be deciding important issues for the nation!!
- Kate, UK, 11/9/2011 9:04Rating 1
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If that's a question,Dorries,how long have you got?
- pipmk, leeds,yorkshire, 11/9/2011 7:46Rating 1
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I cant help feel that she needs to take some responsibility for the way she approached the debate with her one liner - of course Cameron was going to defend his position - that's politics. As for the abortion debate - I cant think of one good reason that the limit is not reduced - isnt it enough that a fully formed baby has a chance of surviving outside the womb at 24 weeks? WHY WHY WHY does parliament reject any moves to change it?
- Shazza, Warlingham, 11/9/2011 8:03Rating 1
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What happened to this lady in The House was awful and pathetic. The eruption of laughter from a bunch of overgrown schoolboys illustrates that we have a backward political debating procedure that is only worthy of the world that Black Adder inhabited. As far as her abortion bill goes however, I'm very glad that her crazy idea of reducing the limit from 24 to 20 weeks failed. It goes against the science and I suspect that what truly lies behind it is the ugly shadow of religion; we are, after all, talking about the same women whose answer to early pregnancy was to mount a "just say no" campaign in Britain's schools. To give women less choice about what they do with their own bodies is regressive not progressive and I would hope that even a bunch of overgrown schoolboys would have more sense than to ever pass her bill.
- Pete Laidler, London, UK, 11/9/2011 7:43Rating 1
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I was shocked the first time I saw footage of the House of Commons on YouTube. (I'm from the US and had never known it was aired until moving here.) I actually had a hard time believing it was real, it was so incredibly childish. THESE are the people running this place? These churlish school boys? It's hideous, and if that is the way they act on camera, what hope is there behind the scenes? It is utterly shameful, and the PM, along with all of the giggling loonies in that building need to think about where they are, and what they are there for. As for what happened to you specifically, well, I think you give the PM far more credit than he is due. He's a kid in the control room, and a push-over, to make matters worse.
- Me, Newcastle, 11/9/2011 1:43Rating 1
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There is definitely something wrong when a minority can use threats and blackmail to get Cameron to do just what they want. Yet he doesn't have the guts to call an election and prefers to go wagging his tail behind them so he can call himself the 'leader'. A pathetic silly man. Surely the Conservatives can come up with something better and more trustworthy than him.
- TW, London, 11/9/2011 0:06Rating 1
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Having read this, I would just like to thank my (female) MP for voting for the amendment. And I would also like to tell Dave to get out from under Nick Cleggs thumb. Yes, it's only because of Nick that Dave has a majority - but Nick would no longer be Deputy PM if he stopped backing Dave. Nick has a lot to lose - so call his bluff and stop pandering to him!
- Dot, South Northamptonshire, 11/9/2011 9:55Rating 1
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Is Nadine frustrated? She has the look of a woman who is.
- Gloria Stitts, Bangor, 11/9/2011 0:39Rating 1
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It's a wonder any decent laws get passed in this big boys school!
- Browned off, Essex, 11/9/2011 9:26Rating 1
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And you are surprised by the sexist comments. We have a House of Commons filled with silver spoon young men raised against a background of 'women are second class citizens and should never have been given the vote'. No wonder they are so innefective against the countries where women are forced to live in purdah. They want that for this country too, or they would not allow the outrage of the Sharia law posters to continue. Its a pity that expectant mothers do not abort their fetus if they find out it is male - that's the only way to overcome the male dominance in this society!
- Grace, Colchester, 11/9/2011 15:07Rating 1
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I agree that the limit for abortion should be lower, it is only right and kinder. However, ms Dorries I cannot respect or admire you because you wish to repeal the hunting act which is in place to protect our wildlife. Yoe claim to be a down to earth scouser giving the PM a reality check now and then. I do not know any working class scousers who agree with hunting foxes for fun! You are pandering to the aristocracy, just admit it! Why are you standing up for their bloodlist? Huh??
- Paula c, South of England , 11/9/2011 11:43Rating 1
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I would suggest that the MPs who are vehemently opposed to granting women more options in the matter of abortion counseling have a vicious personal agenda. - Gigi, Austin, TX USA, 11/9/2011 18:23 ----then you should be happy that Mrs Dorries' bill was rejected as it is the only thing discussed here that would have reduced those choices you quite rightly feel women are entitled to.
- Norman Bates, Airstrip One, 11/9/2011 17:07Rating 1
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Sorry nadine, I support what you had to say but not the party you joined and the government you are elected to serve. YOU have learned a valuable lesson that the "Bullingdon Boys" crave only power and they will walk over any one they wnat to now they have, and further more in the sexist elitiest way they did with you!
- Marshian, Romney Marsh, 11/9/2011 9:59Rating 1
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A baby at 23 weeks is fully formed and is delivered by inducing labour and delivering it like a normal baby. Their heart is beating and they try to breathe by gasping for air. They are left in a dish to die, it is disgusting to watch. Babies have survived at 22/23 weeks. Abortion should be reduced to 20 weeks. Cameron needs to grow a backbone against Clegg, after all they came 3rd because nobody wanted their policies. Why are we having them forced on us now.
- Maggie, Cheshire, 11/9/2011 11:57Rating 1
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It is so sad that on the front bench we do not have a Wilberforce,or anyone of that ilk.Perhaps Nadine comes closest.
- tony, northampton, 11/9/2011 13:44Rating 1
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I agree how can anybody not support this motion. It just proves what a bunch of idiots our MP's are.
- ray, Southampton, 11/9/2011 8:15Rating 1
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In answer to your question as to why you were humiliated by the PM - YOU CROSSED HIM. He wasn't blackmailed by the Liberals because he is a liberal and as anyone who's ever worked with a liberal knows, they spend ages banging on about being tolerant but never practise it themsemselves. Cross a liberal and you'll find a bigot.
- Arthur Scringflokett, Soviet Republic of Britainia, 11/9/2011 9:38Rating 1
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Perhaps someone out there could explain - in simple, grammatical English - why there was so much opposition. There must be a reason it was so vehemently opposed.
- Ahh - the holidays at last!, Sunny Suffolk, 11/9/2011 9:20Rating (0)
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thats twice to my knowledge this 'MAN' for want of a better word and to our knowledge he has insulted women MP's just showing what he really thinks of women when he lets his guard drop...................................... I dont know what the answer is to these buffoons in parliament................We need to sck the lost of them........drop the party politics and get people in there who will support Mr & Mrs average.............it will never happen and this 'old boy's network' will go on forever regardless of party.....................they have proved they are all in it for money and power.............Cameron seems to be making all the decisions himself anyway.........
- living in hope, dorset, 11/9/2011 14:21Rating (0)
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Get over it love - it's not all about you
- Tom Graham, Coventry, 11/9/2011 8:48Rating (0)
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democratic system? i think not
- stephen, belfast, 11/9/2011 9:23Rating (0)
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What the hell was the Speaker doing while all this was going on? It's his responsibility to maintain order and I have no doubt there are sanctions he can impose. Quite a few politicians ought to be damn well ashamed of themselves over all this for stifling proper debate, and the way this Lady was treated was utterly savage. They demeaned themselves, and the Chamber itself Nadine, not you.
- Sdemnips, Birmingham, 11/9/2011 6:39Rating (0)
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I believe abortion rates are to high, it should be less so and people should take far more care to avoid unwanted pregnancy. but let's face it, Ms Dories did this to get attention. She admits that she wants to reduce the time limit for abortion, as there is no majority for this she used this route to raise Her issue. Attacking the coalition and missing the fact Her party failed to get a majority either. As a man, I will never understand what the decision is like for someone in that position. I have heard that the current process is to enable a woman to decide what she wants and to create a space or them to discuss and decide for themselves by offering counselling, I think Ms Dories would prefer some religious or biased "independent" organisation to push it's agenda It's all about her. She doesn't say "all these women have come forward claiming bias towards a termination and that needs changing". It was a way for her to raise an issue, to fix something there isn't broken.
- Raider88, St.ives Cambs, 11/9/2011 7:59Rating (0)
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Instead of laughing it as a normal person off, her reaction beggs the question 'just how frustrated is she?
- David Prestbury, MacclesfieldUK, 11/9/2011 12:40Rating (0)
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Cameron acted like a kid in the playground. Rise above him and ignore it...but look to David Davis, we need a leader with respect.
- Toto Kubwa, Cyprus, 11/9/2011 8:50Rating (0)
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Go, Dr Evan Harris!! I quite want to move to his constituency, just so I can vote for him :D
- R. Nichols, UK, 11/9/2011 11:48Rating (0)
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Nadine asked a stupid question which put the PM in a most awkward position purely for her own ends. If everyone took life so serious as she seems to do and offence at this the world would stop turning.
- John B Sheffield, Manchester, 11/9/2011 11:48Rating (0)
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I watched this debacle on t.v. and was genuinely shocked by the proceedings. Nadine Dorries is right to ask that women seeking abortion should have the opportunity of counselling that is NOT provided by those that carry out abortions. As she asks, what is wrong with that? I was so disappointed by David Camerons performance ... no more than I have come to expect of him. A committed Tory voter for many years - the party under this man is not a Tory party. He has quite willingly, it seems, allowed the Lib Dems to take control of every issue that is important to this country, even though they are such a tiny minority in Parliament. Thank heavens that they have never stood a chance of ever forming a government! David Cameron may have apologised, rightly, to Miss Dorries, but he now needs to do so PUBLICLY!
- cassandra , Nottingham, 11/9/2011 7:36Rating (0)
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Politics is not about being right, honest or anything else, it is simply about how you are seen to perform, and these days written about by the media. DC off the cuff remark may have been innocentish and taken as smutty humour in the house, but please put this into context, does the PM have sufficient standing to bring the house under control if he wishes? therefore did he wish to do so? From this I would say it was a done deal before you started, but what is in it and for who?
- himfromthere, UK, 11/9/2011 0:51Rating (0)
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What a yawn! I don't think anyone gives two hoots about this.
- DisenchantedBrit, Living in bliss away from hellhole island, 11/9/2011 12:54Rating (0)
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You spoke the TRUTH, that annoyed that little twerp!
- /g, Belgium, 11/9/2011 8:45Rating (0)
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I'm no Labour voter, but must say, if this were Brown or Blair the Tory papers would be in uproar! Cameron show his true mentality with this gutter behaviour. No matter he disagrees with her he should not have humliated her in such a way. Particularly with his implied reference to sex.
- john f., ipswich, england., 11/9/2011 9:48Rating (0)
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Her subject was a serious one and needs to be addressed. However, she whinges that she was humiliated in front of the nation. Maybe she has a better understanding now of how the indiginous people of this country feel when we are repeatedly made the laughing stock of the world by a succession of self serving politicians pretending that the decisions they make are in our intrest. Why do we deserve that?
- Anon, Oxon, ENGLAND, 11/9/2011 6:49Rating (0)
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Stop attention seeking and move on. If this is all the lady wants to moan about then she needs to really listen to the worries of the people who put her in power.
- Martian, Mars, 11/9/2011 8:34Rating (0)
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Well Done
- Michael, Cheshire, 11/9/2011 8:54Rating (0)
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Abortion may not be a nice process in itself, but the reality is if the current underclass who have to resort to abortions as a feckless and lazy form of contraception didn't have them, we'd have even more feral and fatherless kids running around causing mayhem on the streets. Abortion is a form of crime prevention. Sad but true. This lady MP sounds way too delicate to be in the rough and tumble of the Commons. And to think of the grief the young Margaret Thatcher had to put up with...
- Sean Hunter, Glasgow, 11/9/2011 13:53Rating (0)
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It is a disgrace that the Government of the United Kingdom is malevolently sexist and not a little ironic, since the monarch of the UK is Queen Elizabeth II. I would suggest that the MPs who are vehemently opposed to granting women more options in the matter of abortion counseling have a vicious personal agenda. If abortion favors anyone, it favors sexually irresponsible men who wish to avoid the consequences of their lifestyles. My advice to David Cameron and his staff is this: "Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way!"
- Gigi, Austin, TX USA, 11/9/2011 16:23Rating (0)
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What do you expect Nadine from a bunch of public school twits who received their sex education in the dormitories of a boarding school and probably hadn’t spoken to a female other than Mummy and Nanny until they were 18.
- Robert, Manchester, 11/9/2011 16:38Rating (0)
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Someone please clarify, is Cameron a strong leader or a weak puppet who kowtows to his second in command?? I leave you all to draw your own conclusions. Don't blame Clegg because he is the more dominant charcter, blame Cameron for not resigning & letting another stronger character take over.
- john f., ipswich, england., 11/9/2011 10:16Rating (0)
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The thing to do Nadine, is to join UKIP, and really rub his nose in it,''hell hath no fury as a woman scorned'' he really deserves it. You could be the first UKIP member of Parliament, and have your concerns listened to, and supported ! The British People will never believe anything he says ever again, he is finished politically, so move on and triumph over these treacherous spoilt brats.
- Clive Burghard, Southern England. Overlooking The English Channel., 11/9/2011 1:00Rating (0)
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Oh get over it. If you have issues, present them at the feet of Bercow who should have kept order. Quite why you are whining to the DM I don't know, it makes you look feeble.
- Morning!, Bristol, 11/9/2011 0:02Rating (0)
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Is this the so-called "democracy" that these scum wish to spread to the likes of Iraq,Afghanistan etc. These bought and paid for morons wouldn't know "democracy" if it bit them on the expense account-absolutely disgusting creatures!!
- Eric, Widnes, 11/9/2011 7:13Rating (0)
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Thank you to Nadine for raising this issue, your hard work and concern,particularly for women and children,has not gone un-noticed.Regarding abortion which can devastate lives.Cameron and Clegg laughed as it was a male bonding thing to fall back on - laugh together in solidarity, but they should remember that, many women, (probably not the mothers of current affluent politician's children) I am sure, cry alone regarding this issue.Consider them.
- Al, London, 11/9/2011 11:17Rating (0)
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The Prime Minister made an honest mistake, it was actually everyone else in the House that made a meal of it.
- Peter Jackson, Plymouth, 11/9/2011 4:36Rating (0)
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When you look at the outcry by the lefties when Cameron reffered to one of theirs as ' dear ' and it speaks volumes at the way Nadine Dorries is being assasinated like this for being a woman challenging other wimmin for their choices. I am utterley convinced about the grip some left wing ideology and politicians have on Parliament which is not necessarily good for us as a society. Dorries was perfectly correct to campaign about this issue of abortion and at least it has brought the taboo subject onto the debating table. From some comments on here we clearly have become a very selfish me, me, me nation perhaps a product of the last 30 years of social engineering throughout our schools and universities..
- Rick, Teesside, 11/9/2011 13:17Rating (0)
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So this is who we have running the country. A bunch of school boys that are stuck in the dark ages. A pm that txts his apology when he really should have grown a pair and sort out this mess infrount of everyone in the lords. This bill is important to thousands of women who are mis managed when they are making the toughest choices of their lives. This brave lady should be allowed to stand up again and say her speech without interuption and black mailing by the lib dems.
- Sarah, llatrisant, 11/9/2011 9:40Rating (0)
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Well said Ms. Dorres. I am pro-abortion. Pro- a woman's right to choose. But implacably opposed to infanticide or the murder/ abortion of a baby (note not a foetus) of 24 weeks, a small human being in its own right capable of feeling pain and crying. A vulnerable young woman should be offered independent counselling. She should be allowed to weigh all the pros and cons, be made fully aware with no pressure from either side of the argument. Only then, should abortion or support or adoption be considered. We sneer at more primitive cultures for leaving their female infants exposed in the forest to die. But really, is there any moral difference?
- j steuart, edinburgh, 11/9/2011 8:28Rating (0)
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I am not going to get into a debate about abortion, BUT lets not forget this kind of action (ABORTION) should be left to the person involved, not by some self righteous MP. LETS now bring in the H-RIGHTS ACT, which could be used by the pro-abortionist to use the act as an infringement of there h-rights. I would love to see some one sue the woman MP for trying to take someones rights to an abortion, i know they say unborn babies have rights, BUT where do you draw the line, PEOPLE here in the UK should think about the number of un-wanted babies that are born every year in CHINA, which are abandoned out in remote areas and left to die or suffocated at birth, we still have remote areas that can be use, there are more IMPORTANT THINGS TO BE DEBATED IN PARLIAMENT, SUCH AS ARE RIGHTS TO HAVE A VOTE ON THE EUSSR, HE PROMISED US A VOTE DID WE GET IN NO,NO,NO.
- pete, bristol, republic of bristol, 11/9/2011 13:05Rating (0)
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If you had been to Eton, he would have supported you. Your fault for not going.
- phill, caerphilly, 11/9/2011 14:07Rating (0)
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Grow up sister, take a joke. Otherwise you diminish yourself.
- paris match, paris france, 11/9/2011 17:20Rating 1
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Get over it dear.
- Jay, Wales, UK, 11/9/2011 7:37Rating 1
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Issue aside that this MP was trying to discuss - she needs to 'man-up'. Whining about her treatment will not get her anywhere, just the scoffs and guffaws of the chinless wonders in parliament. Cameron and his sidekick have shown their true colours, pathetic little school boys behind the bike shed. I never thought we could have a worse pm than blair and brown, but yep, we do, Beavis and butthead. David cameron and nick clegg and all those other stupid mps made themselves look ridiculous, dont sink to their level.
- andi, margate, 11/9/2011 9:11Rating 1
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All you have done Nadine is to stick up for the tax paying electorate who are fed up to the teeth of the wicked and useless Lib Dems, none of whom have an ounce of common sense, decency or fairness when it comes to the real world
- John, Leeds, 11/9/2011 8:43Rating 1
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All right, Doris, the PM is a rough bully, an educated bully, arrogant and insufferable, the worst of the bullies, the Bullingdon bully born with a silver spoon in his mouth.That being said, come over it, a lot of people are bullied at work in front of their colleagues. Being in the public eyes, it is , for you in front of the cameras,( part and parcel of your job.). Why don' t you give him a bit of his own medicine ? With such a toff who does everything to appear as one of us, it should be easy.
- bruno, guildford, 11/9/2011 10:43Rating 1
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Toughen up a bit, you're a politician and they always say mean things to each other. Unless you are after some compo to rob the taxpayer some more. how did you get this far in life without being able to handle something like that? boo hoo.
- Chico Hernandez, Newcastle, 11/9/2011 0:28Rating 1
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Good luck to you in your efforts, i agree with what you are trying to do. If the politicians that oppose you, had to witness abortions as I believe you have done , they may well back you up......I understand it is voluntary counselling and not compulsory, so what is so wrong in that ?
- Chris, portsmouth uk, 10/9/2011 23:13Rating 1
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There is a secret passageway to No. 10 that allowed subversives to enter, drug Cameron and then re-program certain parts of his brain. How else can anyone explain how much he has changed from his full-of-promise-and-hope spoutings during his election campaign. He (or his doppleganger) has thrown away a lot of voter support in favour of abdicating to Lib-Dem Minority demands.
- Ernie, Tring City, UK, 11/9/2011 10:19Rating 1
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Watching a young woman cry hysterically when she sees the 15 week foetus she has just aborted would change the minds of these MP's on the necessity of counselling.
- Now, Then, 11/9/2011 10:32Rating 2
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Abortion is the murder of an innocent life... so fair play to Ms. Dorries.
- sligunner, london, UK, 11/9/2011 0:27Rating 2
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Nadine Dorrie, I actually admire your honesty and integrity and I for one now fully support your stance on this important issue. I think the PM has now raised your profile and done you and your cause the world of good, good luck. Peter
- Peter, Isle of Man, 11/9/2011 12:43Rating 2
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get over it woman, life is like that you obviously need a dose of reality
- prometheus, on fire, out of uk, 11/9/2011 14:37Rating 2
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Stop taking yourself so seriously. Gee its that kind of over reaction which caused so many kill thought, kneed jerked loony policies which Labour is known for. Consider these options: 1) Shouldn't of ran off which made it worst 2) The Speaker of the House (yes, the one that labour cunningly placed in) should have spoken up - in short ...do his job. 3) Put this silly article in print. 4) Its a poor incumbent PM who sets out to humiliate a MP during PMQs using a cheap shot ( Gordon Brown did all the time - but Cameron isn't like that -he does have a bit more class.
- Dave, London, 11/9/2011 9:17Rating 2
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with regret Nadine,this shows how deeply each of the party controls how the country is run by blackmail... i respect an honerable gesture to give support to those contemplating an abortion, is not something to be trivual about. It is with regret this shows the ability of this goverment to do things that are for the people,not things that are for profit from private buisness,for they are the ones to gain from the health bill, your attempt would show little profit, ohh and of course you are a woman in politics. We may respect you but the male does not in politics as you are a serious threat...
- peter, tyne & wear, 11/9/2011 11:20Rating 2
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I would be appalled to receive a text from the PM apologising. In person would be much more apt. With regards to the whole abortion issue, it all revolves around money - who's going to get money allocated to where if the bill was put through?? She said the 24 week limit is too high - what's the limit as I don't know if I read it anywhere? Abortions are an awful procedure for anyone to go through I imagine and yes, I agree they need to talk to someone about it but is that not what friends and family is for? Counselling isn't a fix it, it's a medium for people to talk through their own issues with someone to guide them to keep on track till that person comes up with their own solution. Counsellors do not give advice (or shouldn't as they're not trained to give advice) and I can only see this as an extra expense. People generally getting abortions are those lax with preventative measures - if they need more than one abortion as is the case sometimes, charge them for it.
- HBRTY, Where I Live, 11/9/2011 9:32Rating 2
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who cares.
- Philip, Wessex, United Kingdom, 11/9/2011 0:02Rating 2
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Jollily enough, Nadine is the name of the devil's wife in "The Stand". Sadly, that one was a bit more...shall we say enthralling than the current model.
- Angry, United Kingdom, 11/9/2011 8:08Rating 2
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It is shocking what Nadine (Dorries) has been sunbjected to, especially when she only wants to do what is right. She is a thoroughly decent woman and very humble and very kind. In my view she is ministerial material and Cameron would do well to give her the position of health minister. She is super sweet and caring.
- SD, Cheshire, 11/9/2011 8:41Rating 3
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Get over yourself you stupid woman and perhaps next time you'll think twice before getting our long fought for abortion laws changed so you and the rest of your bible bashers can sleep a bit easier at night. - Coffee Rider, Exeter, England, 11/9/2011 16:06 So you think that only bible bashers oppose late abortions? I oppose them altogether, it's pre-meditated murder and I'm not a religious person. People have become numb to the fact that it's a young child they're killing, inside or outside the womb it's a young, living, breathing child with wants and needs.
- craig, glasgow, 11/9/2011 17:03Rating 3
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I think it's absolute cruelty to kill a helpless unborn baby just because you don't want it. There is always the option of adoption. For desperately seeking couples who can't have children.
- Maureen Masi expat, Pennsylvania usa., 11/9/2011 16:54Rating -3
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When one considers the number of live babies who are born before 24 weeks, and who then go on to survive and thrive, it begars belief that women can have abortions at 24 weeks. I am very much pro-choice, but I think women need to make up their minds sooner if they are considering aborting their child.
- Angela, Manchester, 11/9/2011 5:55Rating -3
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The abortion limit is too high and I can't understand why labour MPs would argue against changing the limit!! Am I missing something?
- ruby hughes, london ENGLAND, 11/9/2011 9:13Rating -3
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Wonder how SamCam is treated at home by her husband?
- Common Man, London, 11/9/2011 9:27Rating -3
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never mind gal you showed how weak cameron is
- newman keith , dherynia cyprus, 11/9/2011 9:25Rating -3
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calm down luv and put the kettle on.
- GoodGuy, London, 11/9/2011 9:22Rating -3
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I’m afraid this incident sums up our political class: academic ability but no common sense or experience outside politics. It was a short term tactic to make a laughing stock of a “Chav” MP who had, afterall, not gone to a top university. No strategic thinking is the concern. He could not see past the short term ,to the long term damage it will do to him. A Nasty Party is not just one that is politically incorrect.
- James J, London, 11/9/2011 9:15Rating -3
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as Trueman so aptly put it - if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen - ops what that being sexist?
- alison, bristol, 11/9/2011 13:27Rating -4
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As a women, i am shocked and disgusted ay the way Nadine was treated and how we as women have been encouraged by charities/agency's to dispose of our babies in this throw away society as if it's the most natural thing in the world. Good on you Nadine for standing up for the few of us left in this god forsaken nation who still has a concience to do the right thing, we need more women entering politics to balance out the elitist diatribe that we call a government now. Shame on you all! Nobody goes into any Job to be personally humiliated and Dee Surrey...You have let women in this country down badly today with you comments, which smacked at secret ambition to get ahead!
- Susanne, Wirral, 11/9/2011 12:53Rating -4
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Gordon Brown ruined the nations finances and Labour ruined Britain with uncontrolled iimmigration. Now this women wants to stop the world and get off because someone has upset her!!! GO AWAY. PLEASE. JUST GO AWAY!
- W Smith, Perth, OZ, 11/9/2011 9:23Rating -4
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Yes
- legion666, derby, 11/9/2011 1:17Rating -4
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Oh pipe down love and get back in the kitchen - just remember you were only selected to become an MP as the result of a quota system - not ability!
- WJ, UK, 11/9/2011 0:19Rating -4
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I am stunned at what appears to be the aggressive opposition to Ms Dorries' proposed ammendment. Counselling should ALWAYS be impartial: how can it possibly be so if given by those who provide abortion services? As to lowering the abortion limit (unless there is a risk to health of the mother, or there are severe deformities of the unborn child), it seems completely logical to me. I know feminists out there will attack me, but it seems to me that abortion has now become nothing more than a form of contraception, which surely is never what it was intended to be?
- RAE, BATH, 11/9/2011 9:14Rating -4
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Nadine, you should know by now that the PM just doesn't know any better. He thinks such behaviour will make him look like "one of the lads"
- A. Smith, Walsall, England, 10/9/2011 23:41Rating -4
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Shame on Cameron, the bully boy from the Bullington club.
- Bradfordian, bradford, UK, 11/9/2011 11:48Rating -4
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You are a Labour MP and that is sufficient. Get over it!
- Roy Race, London, 11/9/2011 1:32Rating -4
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Totally agree with your recommendations Nadine- think you should have stayed put and not walked out though. Abortion providers have a vested interest in providing abortions; it makes absolute sense for women considering having one to get independent counselling- they have to live with their decision for a lifetime and of course, it's a matter of life or death for the babies.
- sandra, leics, 11/9/2011 17:32Rating -4
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I don't pretend to know alot about this debate and I don't particularly like Nadine Dorries, but the abortion act is surely overdue for change. We need to lower the threshold for abortion from 24 weeks, as we know many babies are born alive at that stage. Surely it can't be bad either for women to receive extra counselling from an independant source? MP's behave like children, and to laugh at their colleagues and stop them having their right to speak is unforgiveable and unprofessional.
- Jay, Cambs., UK, 11/9/2011 9:38Rating -5
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Good on you Nadine. Politics is a rough business and totally male dominated. Dont let them grind you down.
- No. 21788899012567, City 17, NW Region, EUSSR, 11/9/2011 9:18Rating -5
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Good for you. Keep up the pressure. The current limit is an abomination. I have a niece born at 24 weeks who is fit and healthy. The way some parliamentarians act is loathsome and they showed themselves to the nation to be complete idiots. Your point regarding the Lib Dems influence is a good one. They have far too much say when they actually got less MPs in the last election than the previous one. They are revolting to a man and woman and I hope they are wiped out at the next election!
- Sue, London., 11/9/2011 9:17Rating -5
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"if the time limit is lowered to 20 weeks, it is the poorest women with fewest resources either financial or emotional/intellectual who may suffer most." Sorry, isn't the NHS funding abortion any more then? That's news to me.
- Liz Ward, Huddersfield, 11/9/2011 13:04Rating -5
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If she can't stand the heat, she should get back to the kitchen....... LOL.
- Johnny Johnson, ex-pat Brit, Middle of nowhere, somewhere in Africa, 11/9/2011 11:37Rating -5
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Nadine, you are a true 'Scouser', and Liverpool should be proud that it can still number women with your fine fighting spirit in defence of what is morally right among its daughters. I, for one, salute you. Remember, William Wilderborce was ridiculed and mocked when he stood steadfast in the House against the abominable evils of slavery, which also seemed an entrenched 'right' at the time. He triumphed finally, and with your remarkable commitment and tenacity, I'm sure that you will, too. The names of the nonentities who opposed him, or who were too cowed to give him public support, have disappeared from history. The names of those who valiantly fight against the prevailing current of scornful opinion for the rights of the defenceless and helpless become imperishable. Keep it it, you wonderful Liverpudlian heroine!
- John White, Toronto, Canada, 11/9/2011 14:43Rating -5
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You are doing a fantastic job. Please don't give up. I don't know why our politicians don't want to decrease abortion rates. There is something very sinister about it - almost as though it would personally effect them.... The limit must be brought down so that it is at least in line with the rest of Europe - 12-16 weeks. Abortions being carried out at 24 weeks for social reasons are nothing less than brutal executions. And women should be NOT be counselled by the provider that is making a hefy profit from killing their babies. All this is common sense which is backed by medical science... It seems as though you may be fighting the Devil himself when it comes to this issue. But so many people are behind you. DON'T STOP NOW! Lives are depending on you. You do have much support.
- Joanna, Dubai, 11/9/2011 9:11Rating -5
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I wonder if Mr Quentin Letts has the decency to write a follow-up to his caustic article published on September 7th in which he seemed to applaud the very low class (well he is - isn't he) comments of Cameron. Which toadied up to his king-maker Clegg. To bring ridicule upon this member of parliament who was doing what so many others do not do - raising an important issue. The whole event was obviously set-up by Cameron,influenced of course by Clegg,to bring her down.
- simon ling, Ho Chi Minh City,Viet Nam, 11/9/2011 6:21Rating -5
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P.M.Q's. It was shocking to see David Cameron laughing and leaning into a smirking Clegg. I'm appalled at this childish blokey schoolboy humour and degrading treatment of his fellow M.P. Just why is there a terrified reaction to reasonable questions on abortion. Just why the fear of recognising that there are many women who don't sail through abortions, could have done with extra counselling. It's not about women who are ok afterwards and manage to pick themselves up. Are we still in the situation I witnessed over 40 years ago while at a 6 week check up after a 39 week stillbirth that the young woman next to me was in after 3 abortions. Is this still ok. How many can you have on the N.H.S. by the way. What about the cost. Should we insist on the coil or patches for women who keep presenting. Surely would be better mentally for women and young girls. Need a grown up debate. Many my age 57 have seen the pain others go through, when it was the right choice, that's hard enough.
- Mrs. B, Great Britain....well used to be..., 11/9/2011 9:52Rating -6
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My dear, it's the sort of thing that boys from the Bullingdon Club do..., it's all 'fnar fnar'....'gosh, she's a feisty filly that one' banter....Your experience has given you, and the rest of us, a view of how utterly ghastly the ruling 'upper-toffs' class really are. Stinking rich, super well-connected ( Camerons Daddy was a leading Stockbroker in the 'city'), and to whom women are 'fillys' who should know their place....personally, I am struggling to understand why you weren't aware of this? In order to survive in the Commons ( a contradiction in terms, as all the senior Cabinet members are 'toffs' not commoners) you have to have a 'hide' like a Rhinoceros, and be as equally snide and 'sharp' at men who berate you in return...Ann Widdecombe? Margret Thatcher?....To name just two...Parliament is not for decent, nice people, it's a 'pond' full of nasty, biting sharks, on the look-out for a quick kill, political advancement, and an opportunity to destroy the opposition at any cost.
- Ptolemy Dwyer, Lancashire, 11/9/2011 11:21Rating -6
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We need more people like you Nadine, God bless you for your good work.
- Mike, UK, 10/9/2011 23:18Rating 6
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Calm down dear !...HA HA !!
- Fred Steele, Hinckley Leicestershire, 11/9/2011 2:10Rating -6
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Nadine Dorries thinks a text message apology from Cameron shows humility and was genuine. I would think a face to face apology would be better. "I can’t be angry with anyone other than the Liberal Democrats who tried to destroy the attempt to provide women with greater choice". The PM humiliated her in front of the entire nation, yet it is the Liberal Democrats fault? Why isn't she demanding new elections and break the coalition? I had some sympathy with Dorries when this happened, now I have none. She had the opportunity to display true principles, but they come second to a very generous salary and expenses.
- George, Telford, UK, 10/9/2011 23:41Rating -6
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Still frustrated? Take some pills and have a lay down dear.
- dc, bullingdon, 11/9/2011 1:12Rating -6
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When I read the headline my first thought was, "Nadine, just get over it". But having read the whole article I completely changed my thoughts. She's absolutely right. Why DO the Lib Dems have such power as a minority party when the country have realised what a complete nonsense they are. Thank goodness we voted no to AV because this coalition fiasco is what we would be faced with every election. As for Nadine's bill - I think 24 weeks is too late for an abortion unless medically necessary. And why were the MPS so against the idea of women being offered, not forced, a chance of independent counselling? The bullying Men Only Club of Parliament has got to change for the 21st century. Keep at it Nadine, you have my support.
- NW, London, 11/9/2011 9:26Rating -6
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Folks, time for this lot to go...(!)
- alan, beverley, east yorks, 11/9/2011 10:58Rating -6
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"The limit should remain at 24 weeks, giving time for the woman to consider carefully whether to bring yet another child into this overpopulated world." - Totally outrageous, people should consider this BEFORE having sex, thats what contraception is for! I live in a country where abortion is illegal (except in the case of rape and other circumstances beyond the womans control) and so its not an option - so over here most of us look after our bodies and the more sensible people like me even use multiple forms of contraception so there is NO chance of becoming pregnant and having to terminate a child. There is really no excuse for getting pregnant because you couldn't be bothered to use contraception then aborting a tiny baby because you dont fancy dealing with the consequences of your actions!
- Linda, Belfast, 11/9/2011 15:46Rating -6
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Excellent open honest account - I am impressed with her graceful account.
- Me, Wales,UK, 11/9/2011 8:32Rating -7
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It's quite simple really, the Government don't want to pay out for independent fully qualified counsellors when they can get it cheaply from unqualified nurses that claim they can provide counselling – so very dangerously wrong!
- Katharine, Derby, 11/9/2011 11:13Rating -7
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This is a brave lady and her treatment by the so-called Conservatives is a disgrace. Her "crime" is that she is against easy abortion as are the majority of the people of this country. But Dave and his lot see political correctness as the most important thing. I can tell you that Dave is more concerned with what the BBC and THE GUARDIAN say about him rather than the Tory press or ex-Tory voters. Some comment is bound to query whether easy-abortion is unpopular with the electorate: there is one certain way to find out: have a referendum. The pro-abortionists will not touch it with a barge-pole.
- George, Bolton, 11/9/2011 7:53Rating -7
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She wants anti abortion people who have a religious agenda (like her Anglican) to be 'independent' councilors! If we didn't have legal abortions just what would our population be?
- David Prestbury, MacclesfieldUK, 11/9/2011 16:53Rating -7
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They are like a bunch of naughty children, whenever I've watched this, they only thing I see is a bunch of grown ups arguing with each other, shouting at each other, and trying to get one over on each other, when you look at this, and realise these people are making the day to day decisions about how this country is run.... it beggars belief! I totally agree with Nadine, the limits for abortion should be less than 24 week, (babies can survive being born at this age, but with health problems for life) there should be an offer of independent counseling to get a more informed view of what it all entails... I for one hope Nadine keeps fighting for this, and believe she will win through with our support!
- Margaret O'Neill, Alexandria, W.Dunbartonshire, 11/9/2011 10:50Rating -7
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Nadine - this should read ' He TRIED to humiliate me ........'. What he did, in fact, was to humiliate himself. I reckon he's lost a lot of credibility because of his behaviour. The phrase I would put to that is 'Not fit for Purpose'. Hold your head up, lass, you ain't done nothing wrong. Little boys in big mens trousers.
- scinic, uk, 11/9/2011 5:00Rating -7
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Please could someone tell me who's interests does Evan Harris represent?
- rachel, oxon, 11/9/2011 9:38Rating -7
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Cameron humiliated himself, there are some things that don't need rhetoric but support.
- martin, kent, 11/9/2011 9:27Rating -8
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Well said Nadine! Cameron is a bully and we all know what happens to them eventually...don't we? He knows nothing about how ordinary people live, this is why he employed characters like Andy Coulson to tell him how us, the great unwashed live. His is not the Conservative Party of Margaret Thatcher, one which understood the hopes and aspirations of average Britons. This Conservative voter says GET RID OF HIM ASAP.
- DAJ, Birmingham, England, 11/9/2011 9:26Rating -8
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Simple you asked him about his relationship with the Liar Clegg, perhaps he might feel fit to answer the question, but I doubt it.
- hobo, wakefield, 11/9/2011 0:39Rating -8
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Rachel, London Population control is not the root of "all our problems". Poverty is at the heart of quite a few of them and very often its poor people who have the most children (closely followed by rich celebs - were you including them?).
- notonwo, uk, 11/9/2011 11:55Rating - 8
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Just look at the faces on the sneering scum sitting behind clueless cameron i back this young lady all the way cameron has to go .
- mr woo, land of freedom, 11/9/2011 6:47Rating -8
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Someone should use human right act and take the government on behalf of the still not born kids to courts. Nadne should ask PM again on PMQ about the text massage and what Cameron means by "desperately wanted to pass my amendment’, but that there had been problems". Let him explain what the problem was.
- Common Man, London, 11/9/2011 9:17Rating -9
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That`s the trouble with the `abortion debate` in this country - there is no debate. Many people probably believe, as I do, that the 24 weeks time limit is too late and should be brought down, but there is never any genuine debate. If a baby can be born at 24 weeks, with every effort usually being made to save the baby, how can it be right to still carry out abortions at this late stage? And please don`t talk about a `woman`s right to choose` - what about a woman`s responsibility to use contraception in the first place? Nadine Dorries is right to raise the issue and should not have been `howled` down by the morons in parliament.
- EF, UK, 11/9/2011 9:09Rating -9
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Nadine should have retorted that she had a real man taking care of her sexual pleasure aspect. The usless unprincipled dose that are now in Parliment wouldn't know an argument if they saw one on a lampost. Most right thinking people think abortion is wrong and sadly it is now an issue that has been reduced to a supermarket product level. What goes round sometimes comes round. Good Luck to Nadine, at least she did try.
- Art , Newry, 11/9/2011 11:15Rating -9
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Brave effort to get this put through - disgraceful effort to block it in the way it was done. Typical tactic by bigots to shout down the talker when they know they can't win by any logic or reason. End abortion now.
- fleety, wirral,england, 11/9/2011 15:20Rating -9
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good luck nadine dorries, for trying to save unborn babies from a tiranical society, and from tyrants.
- naz, london, england, 11/9/2011 12:52Rating -10
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In the eyes of large numbers of the public, Cameron has shown that he is totally unfit to be Prime Minister. He has no dignity and is certainly no statesman. I thought his behaviour,along with that of certain other members of the front bench was absolutely appalling. Sexual innuendos have no place in Parliament and he is simply showing his Bullingham Club upbringing. As Nadine, having been a nurse, is probably the only MP with any real knowledge or experience of abortion one would have thought that Cameron would have listened to her, but no, he seems to have adopted the position "Don't confuse me with facts, I've made up my mind", presumably because the LibDems have told hi, what to do.
- English Pensioner, Beaconsfield, England, 11/9/2011 10:44Rating -10
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Considering your party are destroying job opportunities for the masses abortion can only be a good thing, ie: Less benefits to pay out in the future.
- Glen Shakespeare, Southampton, Hampshire, UK, 11/9/2011 1:16Rating -10
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Don't give up, many people are with you, anyone who reduces or even tries to reduce the evil killing of children in the womb has their support. At some time the the evil abortion is will be obvious to all, until then, keep going. - Jack, Westmorland, 11/9/2011 4:15 Don't understand the red arrows Jack, cos you have said exactly the right thing.Despite this lady's obvious 'haters' she is trying to save the lives of some unborn babies.Maybe, if these people visited potential parents who can't have children, they would see why abortions should become more difficult to have.Many,many couples are available to adopt these babies....and before anyone goes on about the pregnant women, well they should learn to say 'no' or keep their legs shut!!!!!! The only 2 reasons anyone should be offered an abortion is in the case of rape or where the mother's life is in danger...no other reason whatsover!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Sue, Bulgaria, 11/9/2011 15:45Rating -10
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"She was just a tory in this country, that's all. You sound about as grown up as most of the idiots in the house of commons!" - Lottie, Bristol. Why not answer the points I made ? She happened to be Prime Minister and instigated a war, and then was responsible for sinking the Belgrano with no justification. Your answer simply resorts to childish insult. You are providing ample evidence to invalidate the points you make about women. You should apply for the post of researcher for Harriet Harperson !
- James Danvers, London, 11/9/2011 12:12Rating -10
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Keep up the good work Nadine, there are a whole lot of folks who are behind you on this. Abortion, in my opinion is anathma, but I understand that there are circumstances when it is necessary to save a woman's life. We should never forget that human life is sacred and should not be treated as something to tamper with whenever it is inconvenient for us.
- Val, France, 11/9/2011 15:39Rating -11
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More power to Nadine. I wonder how many women regret having abortions, compared to the number who regret having their kids?
- Penny, Worcester UK, 11/9/2011 17:43Rating -11
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I can't stand Dorries, think her proposals thoroughly wrong-headed, but I do agree that Cameron's sexist jibe was totally humiliating & way below the belt.
- Giustina, London, 11/9/2011 10:57Rating -11
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I don't necessarily agree with Ms.Dorries posture (only extremely stupid women get pregnant in ERROR these days, so the issue of abortion should never arise in the first place), however, this was pure grand-standing on the part of Mr.Cameron, who is old enough and ugly enough to know better! As Simon Heffer, in his item yesterday about the Economy, claims we need to import BOTH investment AND talent, from abroad. Guaranteed to incite Ms.Marmite into a blood-curdling frenzy of outrage, Mr.Heffer might consider the great virtue of REDISTRIBUTION. Not least, since very little political talent has been exhibited in the UK for decades, otherwise we would not be suffering NOW. One is left to deduce either a) we are, as a gene pool, devoid of ANY, or, b) it is "out there", but, regrettably, not where it ought to be. The short-quip: the infernal fratricidal wars (intra-party): yawn-worthy cross-party, debacles, SO familiar, we turn off TV, nonetheless, continue to blight the benches.
- marmite, Essex, 11/9/2011 12:19Rating -11
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There should be protection in law to safeguard the life of a child as soon as that child is conceived. Abortion should only be allowed under very strict circumstances, for example severe disability, but should never be allowed as a form of contraception. People talk about a women's right to choose, but what about the right to life of the unborn child?
- Mr Baker, Gwent, 11/9/2011 7:44Rating -11
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Shame on those of you who who jeer at Nadine Dorries. Since the Liberals introduced the abortion bill, millions of children have been denied a life. Politics is a grown up business, and I suggest that none of those accusing Nadine have a fraction of the courage that she has shown. As for Cameron, he yet again shows his lack of integrity, elevating smutty schoolboy humour over statesmanship.
- Neil Turner, Watford, UK, 11/9/2011 9:26Rating -12
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I'm a Labour supporter and yet I see no flaw in her logic.. and independent counsellor away from the clinic in question would not have any bias .. this doesnt mean to say that the counsellors at the clinic are so pro abortion that they would tell every woman who walked in through their doors to go ahead.. if the clinic makes money off the treatment then there will be a pressure there. When the time limit was sustained at 24 weeks the last time this topic came to the house I was disgusted .. I personally feel that the limit should be set much much lower to around 16 weeks.. I just wish we lived in a world where abortion wasnt necessary at all
- danni, uk, 11/9/2011 1:45Rating -12
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I tried to type in nick clegg and it came up as clog. Says it all really. He is also a twit with the emphasis on the A. The lib dems have ruined this coalition. Nadine, keep going, girl. 24weeks is ridiculous, especially as doctors say 26weeks is a viable pregnancy.
- Lola, Downtown, 11/9/2011 9:05Rating -12
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all mention of women in the abortion debate and no MENtion of the other party involved with making a baby. If men don't want a baby they are forced to by the woman, men should be allowed to have a paper abortion if they don't want the baby when they know the woman is pregnant. Why is it only men held to be responsible for a woman's choice? Yet women can do what they well like i.e. force a man into having a baby. i think what this woman is doing is great by the way, 24 weeks is just plain murder, 60 million babies aborted since roe v wade in the USA alone, now the woman who won the case is, guess what, an anti-abortion campaigner. abortion in this country are hitting 250,000 a year, this is plain wrong to say the very least.
- paul, earthbaby, 11/9/2011 7:26Rating -13
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Absolutely disgraceful. This woman had worked hard on something, and was humiliated by her peers...even IF the frustrated remark was unintentionally offensive, the laughter and subsequent refusal to take her seriously displays a nasty brand of sexism by both Cameron and clegg. Yet more evidence that parliament is an 'old boys club'...public apologies should be issued for this jovial form of bullying.
- Rose, Berkshire, 11/9/2011 10:19Rating -13
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Women do not "own" the babies in their womb. The child is theirs to look after and care for but human beings are not owned like a piece of property which can be discarded at will. Once you carry the child you are responsible to look after and care for him/her. The only pro-choice that is ethical and moral is for the child--and few would choose death over life.
- Real Istbear, Brighton UK, 11/9/2011 17:42Rating -13
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Nadine is an inspiration. Her inimitable tenacity and altruism will win the day in the end. Cameron, a supposed conservative, should be thoroughly ashamed of himself.
- Jess, Liverpool, UK, 11/9/2011 3:33Rating -13
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Evan Harris is a disgrace to his profession and should be struck off. How can independent counselling be wrong? Hundreds of couples would give their all to have a baby and here we are, in so called civilised Britain, disposing of unwanted pregnancies like a tissue down the toilet pan? We have no right trying to interfere in the affairs of overseas Countries when we are destroying tiny lives in the millions????
- allen oliver, tyne & wear, 11/9/2011 9:14Rating -14
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It was a silly questioned and deserved a silly answer. We all need a laugh in these hard times. When she gets it right, she could be a very formidable champion for the unborn child and other worthwhile causes.
- A. Pilar Droog, Twickenham England, 11/9/2011 11:27Rating -14
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They hate you Nadine,they fear you and their response is to deride you and belittle you. The Quislings have no answer to your concerns so they attempt to make you look small. Just one true rebel is all it takes to bring down these hypocrites, to out them for who and what they are. You party, the party you believed was like you is in fact nothing like you, they are social democrats, a cancer on the face of our nation. Look at the way Cameron laughs at us about our wish for an EU referendum as though we do not matter, in his mind we do not and nor do you. Just one rebel is all that is needed to cut these bloated hypocrites down to size, you are the one.
- Cassandra King, London, 11/9/2011 6:01Rating -14
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It will get better. As women and men become 50/50 in terms of numbers in parliament, on boards and the like this will stop. People who make silly comments usually end up say ing more about themselves than anything. The Times had a good spoof on it - a week in the life of yesterday.. We just need to persist. The rule of 3s helps. One woman on a board not much effect, she's unusual, 2 she has someone at least of her sex,. three and you're starting to get to a position where the fact she is female does not matter.
- EnglishRose, London, 11/9/2011 16:05Rating -14
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Andrew, Birmingham "You also call the Labour party pro-abortion. I think you might mean pro-choice?" What choice is that then? Choice toc arry guns? Choice to hunt foxes? Choice to adopt a child of another colour? Choice to refuse to let a double room to homosexuals? No, there is only one choice this is about and we all know what choice it is, the choice to kill your unborn child for the sake of convenience.
- Liz Ward, Huddersfield, 11/9/2011 12:59Rating -15
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oh, dear, 11/9/2011 10:14 .... I am glad that you referred to the child being aborted as a child.....so you obviously believe that if you cannot provide for a child you should kill it right? Call it what you will but abortion is simply legalised murder of an innocent....who has no human rights - not even the right to be born. Its sick...In such a morally depraved society it is no surprise to me that she faced such opposition......incidently so did the campaigners who fought hard to abolish slavery - thankfully those 'moralisers' won in the end....aren't you glad?
- Ann , Manchester, 11/9/2011 11:27Rating -15
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I think that I like both parties more after reading this article.I hope that Nadine's point of view is upheld on the subject in question.
- steve, york, yorshire, 11/9/2011 9:31Rating -15
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Its what the Bullington boys think is fun, just the usual private school bullying in the house of commons by the present Tory cabinet..
- Taffy, UK, 11/9/2011 1:24Rating -15
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Perhaps the front bench should all visit an abortion clinic and see the discarded results, maybe that would wipe the condescending smiles off their faces.And then maybe when they cuddle their own children at night, they might think the subject of abortion deserves a more serious approach.
- Briony, UK, 11/9/2011 2:44Rating -16
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I used to support abortion as a woman's right to control her body but must admit that since as women (and young girls) are using abortion as a delayed birth control, I now have the opposite opinion. Abortion should only apply after a provable rape (where charges succeeded), because of a deformed foetus or to save the mother's life.The poor foetus has had no say in the matter and so should be protected except for those three reasons. That will make women and their lovers more responsible about their sexual relations.
- B J Deller, Malaga Spain, 11/9/2011 13:30Rating -17
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well-done lady--
- tara, los angeles, usa, 11/9/2011 2:34Rating -17
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24 weeks is too late for an abortion. It looks to me that women are getting abortion on demand, not the way the act was meant to work. At 24 weeks I would call that murder
- gran, scotland, 11/9/2011 9:37Rating -18
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Dear Nadine, You didn't deserve to be humiliated. Abortion is a vile crime. It is murder. This is incredibly obvious when a 20 or 22 week old baby, and yes it is a baby as quite a few premature babies can testify to, is killed. Passage through an expanadable 6 inch tube is actually quite irrelevant regarding who is human and who is a 'foetus' regardless of the law. Most abortions are for convenience. There is no medical reason in 99% of cases. And that is where it is criminal.
- Dr Evil, Huntingdon, England, 11/9/2011 8:47Rating -21
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"I have a feeling if women ruled the world, there'd be none of this nonsense, nor would there be terrible wars" - Lottie, Bristol, Well, that's a pretty clueless comment, isn't it ? Thatcher was a dictatorial political tyrant and she was responsible for the Falklands War, which most intelligent people realise was used to bolster her failing electoral hopes at the time. She was also responsible for sinking the cruiser General Belgrano when it posed no threat - the woman, like Blair is a war criminal. And what makes it more heinous is the fact that she is a woman, who is supposed to embody the feminine virtues. And stop using such silly language as "red arrows" and employ some articulate and comprehensible English ! Are you related to Harriet Harperson ?
- James Danvers, London, 11/9/2011 11:28Rating -21
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I like david cameron. Best PM for a long long time. Only wish the Tories had won out right. Pity many people got sucked into the con labour PR propaganda before the election.
- mutal, uk, 11/9/2011 2:59Rating -21
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I support Nadine Dorries on this matter. I wonder how many women would choose not to have an abortion if a counsellor asked her What support would you need in order to keep your baby? Much is made of a woman's right to choose, but I have known many women who were coerced into having an abortion by their non-supportive male partners who refused to grow up and take responsibility for their actions. I would like to see the upper limit for terminations reduced to 12 weeks.
- Phoebe, Norwich, 11/9/2011 0:13Rating -22
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There have recently been pictures in the newspapers of children who survived birth at 24 weeks and have just started school. Do people know that in an abortion, if a child is born breathing, it is just left to die. It seems wrong to me that doctors fight desperately to save the wanted children who are born too early but leave to die those who aren't wanted. Abortion is murder, pure and simple!
- Katherine, West Midlands, 11/9/2011 15:53Rating -25
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I am a person who believes there should be no abortions. Your stand against killing nearly perfectly formed human babies is admirable, but in the end it is down to the pregnant women concerned. Unfortunately the last thing they consider is the future life of the child to be. Their sexual mistakes are dumped in a medical dustbin to die. It's a pity that sexually active men and women who do not want babies don't take more care with contraception. But humans will always find more exotic ways to kill other inconvenient humans.
- Alistair Hillier Manser, Sandbanks UK, 11/9/2011 0:05Rating -25
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Nadine Dorries is worth a thousand Camerons and a million Cleggs!
- Simon (Ex-Tory voter), Nottingham, England, 11/9/2011 1:55Rating -27
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No problem with a woman's choice. Just HUGE problem with tax payer subsidised woman's choice. Let women decide. Sure. And pay for for the 'service' themselves. The price lists on the relevant websites.
- RGH, London, 11/9/2011 15:20Rating -28
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I am very anti-abortion altogether whether it's one week or 24 weeks. I am more pro being responsible and if you have had an accident then take the morning after pill immediately. It's so simple to do that so why don't the women concerned do that everywhere. Certainly in this country where it's a developed country. I just can't understand why there are such a lot of abortions in the first place, beggers belief. I have had 3 accidents (all with condoms), during 45 years, after two of them I took the morning after pill within a few hours, after the third I thought long and hard. I desperately wanted a baby and had done for ages but I never thought I'd get pregnant. I did! I love her so much.
- Deborah, London, 11/9/2011 14:18Rating -28
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In this day and age, no woman should have to endure this sort of humiliation..... Cameron is a disgrace to this country........ and I'm a Tory voter
- Old Sailor, down by the sea and ships, 11/9/2011 0:51Rating -30
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Disgraceful behaviour, from a pompous unfeeling PM, he`s forgotten he didn`t win the election, but acts like the school bully and hope everyonesenamoured of him. He is the worst Conservative PM, ever, Do the decent thing, Nadine, cross the floor and join the caring party. The Condems are out next time anyway, so haste the end and let us get back to proper governance
- thommo, solihull, west midlands, 11/9/2011 13:23Rating -31
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Women want the freedom to kill their unborn children. They have that. This lady, like a lot of other people want these women to hear both sides of what an abortion entails. She and others like her have been laughed, harassed and threatened to stop even this meager activity. Well that's what women want. These same women also want sympathy along the lines of what women who've miscarried get when they talk to others about their abortion. Why is that then? Were they victimized? If so, it was by their own choice. To me, there is only one victim, the child that had the misfortune to be conceived in the womb of woman with no love for it.
- Joan, Canada, 11/9/2011 1:50Rating -35
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craig - Glasgow..................Have you ever had unprotected sex, and Nadine Dorris is as much a Liverpudlian as Thatcher was IF she was a true gritty Liverpudlian she would stand for election in her home town and not tell acts of fiction on her blog or have an expense scandal she is trying to hide - maybe as most of the EU are Catholic States she is trying to make our Country Catholic - ALL men who have unprotected sex are putting women in the position that they might have to abort a child.......shame on you all - it would be interesting actually to find out what is the age of most women who have a late abortion and for craigs sake I must point out men are GUILTY by having unprotected sex......all those nice eastern European Countries ruled untill recently by unelected Catholics ain't life grand! I would happily make every man who has sinned a Eunuch!
- fairy, fairyland, 11/9/2011 17:51Rating -38
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Grow up, your everything nannyingly wrong with this country!!!! For gods sake woman, if you can't take a joke LEAVE!!
- martin, Hereford, 11/9/2011 12:25Rating -39
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Anti-abortionists who bleet on about it being murder should spend their time better by educating girls before the unwanted pregnancy rather than stepping in after the event and shoving their one-sided opinions in the face of someone who is probably not even in a good situation to bring up a child. - Rachel, Oxford, 11/9/2011 16:17 The wilfull termination of a life is murder, not manslaughter, not death by misadventure, it's murder. If you make the decision rationally to end someone's life then it's murder. Incidentally, the vast majority of women who get abortions are not silly young girls, they're professional women who are choosing a career or lifestyle over their true role in life, to nurture and care for children. If you don't want a baby, keep your legs shut!
- craig, glasgow, 11/9/2011 17:13Rating -42
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Katherine West Midlands 11/9/2011. I agree. The only way I would agree with an abortion is rape, incest, life of the mother. Or, if there was going to be something really bad wrong with the fetus. Where it wouldn't be able to function normally in life. In short if was going to be born in a vegetated state. Other than that it is murder pure and simple..
- Maureen Masi expat, Pennsylvania usa., 11/9/2011 16:44Rating -68
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Cameron is just a nasty upper class snob who divided the world into successes and failures. He treats you as failure, Nadine. All in all, a very nasty man.
- Paul Halsall, Radcliffe, Manchester, 11/9/2011 0:00Rating -108
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Nadine, you did a great job please don't be downhearted. Millions of the public are right behind you and regret our position of abortion capital of Europe. Every life ended is tragedy itself. Clegg is evil and will be judged for his role in this. He will never be able to succeeed in politics now, just as David Steele never did.
- Des, Leics, UK, 10/9/2011 23:31Rating -171
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Don't give up, many people are with you, anyone who reduces or even tries to reduce the evil killing of children in the womb has their support. At some time the the evil abortion is will be obvious to all, until then, keep going.
- Jack, Westmorland, 11/9/2011 2:15Rating -236
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As much as the pro-abortionists (synonym: pro-death) would like to confuse us, abortion is nothing more than killing a tiny human being--one who has done nothing to warrant anything but love and protection. We know enough about embryology now that we can no longer pretend that this is a "mass of cells" or just a "fetus" but a living human being, who early on develops a beating heart, a brain, and can feel pain. Doctors know this. All of us who live in societies who allow this atrocious murder of unborn human beings have a lot ot answer for. And we will answer. "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." Revelation 20:11,12.
- Terry L. Walker, Summerville, SC / USA, 11/9/2011 2:50Rating -389
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Those who were frothing at the mouth were undoubtedly ones who'd previously murdered their own children, thus are desperate to avoid the guilt that would otherwise overwhelm them. But a murderer is a murderer is a murdered, and they will all be dealt with appropriately in the end.
- Alberta Einstein, Atlanta, Georgia, USA, 11/9/2011 2:57Rating -575
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